PC APPROVED Minutes 03-13-14 Minutes
Spokane Valley Planning Commission
Council Chambers—City Hall,
March 13,2014
Chair Stoy called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Commissioners, staff and audience stood for
the pledge of allegiance. Ms. Horton took roll and the following members and staff were present:
Kevin Anderson John Hohman, Community Development Director
Christina Carlsen Caty Driskell, City Attorney
Bob MeCaslin Scott Kuhta,Planning Manager
Steve Neill Marty Palaniuk,Planner
Mike Phillips Sean Messner, Sr.Traffic
Chris Sneider Deanna Horton,Administrative Assistant
Joe Stay
Commissioner Carlsen moved to accept the March 13, 2014 agenda as presented. Motion passed
seven to zero. Commissioner Carlsen moved to accept the February 27, 2014 minutes as
presented. Motion passed seven to zero.
COMMISSION REPORTS: The Commissioners had no report.
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT: There was no administrative report
PUBLIC COMMENT: There was no public comment.
COMMISSION BUSINESS:
Continued Public Hearing—Comprehensive Plan Amendments:
Chair Stoy opened the commission business stating this is a continued public hearing
regarding the City's 2014 Comprehensive PIan amendments. Vice-Chair Carlsen read the
rules for the public hearing. Chair Stay stated the Commission would continue to take
testimony after an update from staff. Planning Manager Scott Kuhta gave an update on the
public hearing. Testimony had been heard for CPA-01, 02 and 03-14 but not for CPA-04
through 10-14. Written comments had been received and distributed right up until this
meeting. Mr. Kuhta explained the role of the Planning Commission as a recommending body
and volunteers, of staff and of City Council. He discussed the rules of procedure in regard to
organization of speaking times.
Chair Stay said the Commission had received considerable testimony and comments
regarding CPA-03-14 and the issues heard so far were:
• Traffic, possible increase in crime, increase in population, impact to schools, impacts
to emergency services, noise.
The Chair asked people to try and only bring forward new issues regarding this amendment.
Chair Stoy said the Commission would be allowing the applicant time at the end of CPA-03-
14 to respond to all comments and questions which had arisen during testimony.
Chair Stoy asked for testimony for CPA-O1-14: a City initiated map amendment Iocated near
Mirabeau Park. Request to change from Parks and Open Space to Mixed Use Center. None
was offered.
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Chair Stoy asked for testimony for CPA-02-14: a privately initiated map amendment located
near Trent and Bradley Road. A request to change from Low Density Residential to Corridor
Mixed Use.
Mark Shollenberger, 2205 N Bradley: Mr, Shollenberger asked if a traffic study had been
done for the SCRAPS project. He said the previous Wednesday three 85-foot semi-trucks
came and parked on Bradley Road while forklifts unloaded them for SCRAPS. He said this
activity is illegal,he has filed complaints with the police department,but they cannot respond
in time. He had a suggestion to eliminate the access from Bradley Road so the traffic cannot
come through the neighborhood.
There was no one else who wished to testify for CPA-02-14.
Chair Stoy asked for testimony for CPA-03-14: a privately initiated map amendment located
at the corner of Sprague Avenue and Barker Road. The request is to change from Low
Density Residential to High Density Residential.
Miranda Colombo, 18921 E Valleyway: Ms. Colombo stated she was an opponent. Ms.
Colombo read a poem she had written "They say home is where the heart is,I would have to
agree. But I think your heart feels so much more than just your home. It also feels your
neighborhood. My family's heart started here in this place. Mine is very deep here. In ways
the mind does not fully comprehend or understand. Taking it away would rip a hole in the
heart, would rip a hole in me. One that won't repair itself. And if this building does go up,
my family will surely leave. My heart displaced, longing for the place I belong. The place
the building destroyed. So I beg of you, I beg. Leave this Iand, let it be. Save my heart and
save me.
The audience applauded, Chair Stay asked the audience to hold their applause.
Dallas Williams, 18903 E. Sprague Avenue: Mr. Williams said that page 6 of the staff
report states: HP-1.6: Encourage the development of housing for seniors and other special
populations along transit corridors and within walking distance of shopping and medical facilities. Mr.
Williams wanted to know what 80 year old would walk to what medical facility close to the
neighborhood. The closest is on the other side of Sullivan or Liberty Lake. He said this was
flawed in itself.
Several people who signed the sign-in sheet declined to speak, but spoke from the audience
stating they were against the proposal but did not want to come to the podium.
Sean Barnes, 17710 E Broadway Avenue: Mr. Barnes stated he and his wife were the
previous owners of the proposed parcel. The plans for the property are unacceptable to them.
He felt there should already be a traffic light at the intersection. Mr. Barnes was concerned
how the hay trucks would be able to get up and down the road. The response time for the fire
dept, would be impacted with the increase in traffic and population. The crime would
increase with low income apartments.
Krista Larsen, 18905 E 2n" Avenue: Ms. Larsen stated she wanted to give the School
District's perspective on the proposal. She is a high school teacher at the Central Valley High
School(CVHS), She said she has taught there for 15 years and is a product of the District as
well. She said the City and the School District have prided themselves on their school
system, education and public safety. She believed the proposal was going against those
aspects. Children in the area have a hard time attending their home schools. Greenacres
Middle School is bussing children to other schools and already has portables for extra rooms.
She currently is teaching on a cart, not a room and there are four portables currently at
CVHS. She said there would be an increase in crime. She had felt it when development near
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her home had opened up a street between 2"d Avenue and Sprague. She feels the proposal
does not fit the area. She begs for her children for the Commission to reconsider the
proposal.
City Attorney Cary Driskell asked Ms. Larsen for clarification, if she was speaking on behalf
of the School District. She said no, but from an insider viewpoint. She said she has so many
students she does not know their names. Without the proper facilities to educate students it is
difficult to provide an education, When you can't get a bond issue passed in order to be able
to build and provide the proper tools it makes it more difficult. Then to add a renter
population to the neighborhood, who does not have the motive to vote for what is necessary
for the community. Ms. Larsen stated she has turned in her letter for the Commission. It was
noted she wrote the letter on CVHS letterhead, but the letter is not from the Central Valley
High School or the Central Valley School District.
There was an outburst of a noise and Chair Stoy reminded the audience about demonstrations
and outbursts.
Kathryn Cote, 7 S Barker: Ms. Cote said she was opposed to apartments because of traffic
and crime. She said she spoke to a traffic engineer who told her when they need to do a
traffic revision at the intersection, the City would require a sliver of her property. She said
currently it feels like attempting suicide to cross Barker just to get her mail. She would not
like to have any of her property taken, for any reason. It used to feel like living in the country
and now it was starting to feel like Portland where she moved from. She is totally against
apartments. She does not want a roundabout on the corner either.
Cathy Scott, 19004 E Nixon: Ms. Scott thanked the Commissioners for their service; she
did not know they were volunteers. Ms. Scott said Ms. Barlow had commented previously
that the School District had been contacted about the proposal. Ms. Scott said she called the
School District and they told her they were unaware of the proposal. She said the School
District told her they could quote them as saying "this was a really bad idea." The schools
are overflowing already. Greenacres Middle School is bussing kids to other schools. This is
not the only development Viking Homes has in the area. There is another which would add
approximately 70 homes to the area. Greenacres Elementary is one of the best in the state.
Ms. Scott said her area is a snow plow priority 4 in the City. In the last two years they have
not seen a snow plow in their area once. Where would everyone in the apartment building
park with the extra cars they would have. There would be no place for the children to play.
She felt the Commission had a responsibly to the citizens, to the developer and to the City,
she understood that. But the children were the most important things and it was the
Commission's responsibility to protect the children first.
Planning Manager Kuhta asked to respond regarding the School District notice. The School
District was notified at the time of the SEPA Checklist distribution. However, staff would
research who specifically they needed to contact in regard to these notices to make sure they
were more aware of what the notices were and what they meant.
Myra McElwain. 16 N Arties Court: Ms. McElwain said she is against this proposal. She
said she does not think enough notice was given, she did not become aware until Sean Barnes
told her about it. She said she heard it was in the paper but she doesn't get it so she doesn't
feel that is enough, She feels there will be no place for the people in the apartments to park.
It is an older, retired, fanning neighborhood. She wanted the Commission to consider what
would happen if 300 to 400 low income people were added to the area. She asked where the
snow would go. She had heard there would be a roundabout put in at the intersection and it
would not work there. She did know that low income people needed a place to live, but that
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many in one place, she was opposed to it. She did not want that many people and kids in that
small of an area. She would be fine with ten houses.
Deb Farnsworth, 18808 E Sprague Avenue: Ms. Farnsworth said she and her husband
decided to retire at this address in a rural area with few houses. With development coming
across the street, they are considering moving to Idaho. Since they have moved in seven
years ago, many homes have been built in the area. She works with single parents who are
low income families and the average is three children per household, which is a greater
number than people are talking about now. They currently have people using their yard as a
turnaround with a circular driveway, but that many people in the apartment complex will
have no place to park and will use the streets for overflow. Ms. Farnsworth said she spoke to
the property buyer and she said he lied to her when she asked what would be going in. Her
understanding is it would be single family homes, not low income housing or apartments.
Zita Smith, 16 N Harmony Road: Ms. Smith said it has always been a peaceful quiet
neighborhood. It has been a rural community since they moved in. She said the staff report
talks about arterial street system and public transit system. She said Barker is a narrow two-
lane road with no curbs, sidewalks or cross walks and it is not an arterial meant for heavy
traffic. Barker is the only access road to the freeway between Sullivan and Harvard Roads. It
is going to create a lot of traffic problems especially at peak times. She mentioned all of the
apartments going in at Sullivan, Conklin, on Broadway across from Kohl's, new housing
going in at Sts' at Hodges, at Henry Road. Barker is the only way all these people can get to
the freeway. She said medical facilities are too far away. There would be no merit or
complement for our single family residential area to have a three-story apartment to look at
every day. We voted for members of the City Council to represent the people, not the big
business or developers. We do not want apartments there.
Clyde Smith, 16 N Harmony Road: Mr. Smith said he was appalled by"this" report. (Mr.
Smith held up a report which had Whipple Engineering Consultants letterhead on it.) He said
he thought the report should have been non-partisan and all for the developer. The report did
not address any of the concerns mentioned. He said page 3, item II should have merit and
value for the community as a whole,the only thing this will have value for will be the builder
and the developer. Mr. Smith made a reference that the proposal was possible because it was
next to another parcel which was already high density, and implied the parcel already
designated could be developed with apartments because apartments would be on the proposed
parcel, ending up with 200 apartments. Mr. Smith said the report referred to parcel number
55173.1018 would become an island of low density, he said of course it would, because that
is the type of development which is in the area. He said the island would really be the
apartments. The report says the map amendment should not affect the surrounding
neighborhood. Mr. Smith felt the change most certainly would affect it. Mr. Smith asked if a
7-11 qualified as a shopping center. The audience laughed and Chair Stoy asked for order
from the audience. Mr. Smith said he went to the Sherriff's office to ask about the crime
which would come with an apartment complex. He said the response given to him was if you
build it they will come, it is the nature of the beast.
Diana Smith, 810 S. Joel Road: Ms. Smith said she had emailed the Commission and she
was against the proposal. She said she knows there are many other places laces which have open
vacancies, Barker on the other side of the freeway, Sullivan and 4th Avenue, Conklin and
Broadway across from Kohl's, all which always have vacancy signs. She said she agreed
with everyone about the traffic. She said it has increased since the opening of Chapman Road
from the Morningside development. She mentioned she has friends who live in the
development who have commented to her about how much faster it is for them to go up
Barker than Sullivan to get to the freeway. She said the School District owns property south
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of Twin Bridges where they have plans for a high school, and Barker Would be the access
route for that school; this would just make the traffic for the school worse.
George Kovacs, 19122 E Valleyway: Mr. Kovacs said he understood the mobile home park
was next to the high density residential parcel, and designated medium density residential.
He wondered what would keep someone from coming in and taking the mobile home park
out and putting in higher density residential because it is `already there.' Mr. Kovacs
wondered if the City was going to pay for the improvements which would be required,
commenting that the streets are not plowed now. Mr. Kovacs said Greenacres Elementary is
in the top 5% in the state and some of the neighborhood kids can't go there. He said the
traffic gets off the freeway at Barker so they can avoid the exit at Liberty Lake. He is
concerned the crime will increase and the police will not be able to respond in time. He said
he takes his children to school because he will not allow them to walk, it isn't safe for them.
He asked the Commission to come out and look at the traffic at peak hours.
Dale Poffenroth, 19905 E 8°i Avenue: Mr. Poffenroth said both Pines and Sullivan are five
lanes north-south. Barker is two lanes north-south. He wasn't sure it can be changed now
without taking peoples' property. He named six developments which have gone in recently
and the road has not changed. Sunday morning if you are not going the same direction as the
traffic from the church on the corner, you can't get anywhere else. He wanted to know how
to make the developer pay for the road changes, and could it be done without neighbors
having to give up their yards. He said a comprehensive traffic planning study needed to be
done so fire,police and the people who live there now can get into the neighborhood.
Deb Johnson, 110 N Harmony Road: Ms. Johnson said she is a special needs bus driver for
the Central Valley School District (CVSD). She said she is raising her grandchildren at her
address and they attend CVSD schools in the area. She said she was not speaking for the
District, but as a driver and a parent raising children. Ms. Johnson said she travels through
the intersection at Sprague and Barker in her personal vehicle four times a day and in her
school bus eight times a day. She said Barker is a two-lane, unimproved road, incapable of
handling any more traffic, not to mention the Barker Bridge. The area is meant for single
family homes not apartments. She mentioned the kindergartens of Greenacres and Liberty
Lake Elementary schools both bus their kindergarteners to the Barker Center. The Barker
High School was moved to Broadway to accommodate them. Overloading at Greenacres
Middle School requires that many children are bused to other middle schools because there is
no room. She also believes the crime will increase.
Jackie Williams, 18903 E Sprague Avenue: Ms. Williams referred to the island property
and likened it to Mary's House at Sacred Heart Hospital. Ms. Williams thanked her
neighbors for showing their commitment to their community and asked the Commission to
reject the proposal and show their commitment to the residents.
Chris Harvey, 19205 E Nixon: Mr. Harvey said by listening to everyone, he could only see
the developer would be the only one who would benefit. Mr. Harvey said he looked up 52
related studies of the impact of low income multifamily housing on residential surroundings.
He shared that approximately 12% of the studies showed little impact, 3% showed positive
impact, 85% showed a decreased in property values and an increase in crime. Mr. Harvey
stated he was opposed to the proposal.
Scott Jutte, 18722 E Sprague Avenue: Mr. Jutte stated when he lived in Snohomish,
Washington, a proposed development for low income families was proposed. Two years
after it had been built it was in disrepair. Mr. Jutte said he knows this development will
lower his property values. He wanted to know why it was fair for Viking homes to profit and
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his property value to decrease. Mr. Jutte asked who would be paying him back his decrease
in property value.
Some people left the meeting and a very young man yelled as he left, "please don't do this, I
don't want to move."
Bruce Gunn, 318 N Hodges Road: Mr. Gunn said he appreciated that the Commissioners
are volunteers. Mr. Gunn asked the Commission to be accountable and for them to ask the
Council to be accountable. He found the fact that the property surrounding the neighborhood
to the north and west to be of a higher density and could be developed similar to what is
being proposed, to be abhorred. Mr. Gunn said this would not only change the neighborhood
but the entire valley. It is wrong to be able to take a 30-foot easement to add more
apartments. Mr. Gunn said no one in the room wanted this proposal and that young man
leaving the room was begging. Mr. Gunn turned to address the audience and Chair Stoy
asked Mr. Gunn to only address the Conunission. Mr. Gunn said if you asked the group of
people the same thing it would be a chorus singing no.
Jim Johnson, 1315 S Barker Road: Mr. Johnson said he served on a Planning Commission
for six years in Arizona. He said one of your jobs is to take the heat for the City Council.
The Planning Department also answers to the City Council. Mr. Johnson said for an appeal,
there would need to a violation of the process, which he felt the audience should know. Mr.
Johnson said after the Planning Commission, he served on a school board. He shared that
often the cities and school districts do not talk. He feels this is a big change to the area, and
should require more than just a letter in the mail, but to have a meeting with the right person.
School capacity is a big issue. He appreciates the work the Commission is doing.
Rosemarie Adamson, 18507 E 5th Avenue: Ms. Adamson said when she moved into the
area five years ago, there was concern regarding bussing her children because of
overcrowding at that time. She said when she went to pick up her children from the
elementary school in the past two days, the police had been there asking people to move
while parked waiting to pick up a child. There is no place to park while trying to pick up a
child from the elementary school. She also said she has a granddaughter who is bussing to
the kindergarten center. She agrees with other things voiced regarding the traffic. She feels
it would be unfair for her neighbors to have to give up their property in order to have to put in
the traffic device at the corner in order to accommodate the project. She is opposed to the
proposal.
Elizabeth Fisher, 19222 E 6'"Avenue: Ms. Fisher stated she was opposed to the proposal.
Travis Pierce, 18611 E Turtle Creek Lane: Mr. Pierce said the traffic is self-evident how
bad it is. Mr. Pierce said previously he lived on the other side of the freeway and noted the
difference in traffic is drastic. Mr. Pierce said it isn't that the•proposal is going to dump
however many more cars into traffic, it is going to dump the cars right into the worst, most
congested part of the road. Mr. Pierce said he has spoken to several people who do not think
this is a good idea and he believes there are ten people per person who did not bother to show
up who feel the same way.
Jayme Pesnell, 18613 E 11t" Avenue: Ms. Pesnell said she is opposed to the proposal,
mainly because of the schools. Her daughter currently attends Greenacres Middle School.
She shared that Mr. McCaslin had been her daughter's kindergarten teacher. She is opposed
for the traffic as well.
Timothy Lutt, 18816 E 11th Avenue: Mr. Lutt wanted asked two rhetorical questions: How
many of the Commissioners Iived near Barker and Sprague and how many had lived in low
income housing. He felt if the Commissioners lived near Barker and Sprague,they would not
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be considering this proposal. Mr. Lutt said he has lived in low income housing and it breeds
Iow income. There is no incentive to increase skills, no incentive to get a better job, no
respect for property, no respect for neighbors. The property will breed a mentality which
homeowners do not have. Mr. Lutt said he completely opposes this proposal. He shared that
he feels money talks in Spokane Valley. Based on that, he feels the proposal will pass, and
his property value will decrease. He would like to know who will pay him for his decreased
property value. He said only two entities will benefit from this proposal, it would not be the
neighbors, it would be Viking Homes and the Spokane Valley City Council.
William Debenna, 19116 E Riverside: Mr. Debenna wanted to comment regarding
roundabouts. He feels they are very dangerous. He feels people do not understand how they
are supposed to be used and they try and drive through them too fast. He said he had spoken
to a friend who builds roundabouts and they need 10-feet of property from homeowners. His
feeling is only a traffic light would work there, with sidewalks for the kids, and four lanes.
He disputed the description of the roads as main roads instead describing them as `back
country roads' which people are still driving on. Mr. Debenna said a traffic device also
belongs where Barker turns toward Liberty Lake. He feels it is inappropriate to put
apartments on the proposed parcel. To change it for money is a ridiculous reason.
Jackie Stalinga, 19025 E Riverside: Ms. Stalinga said she wanted to discuss the children
who would be living in the apartment complex. She was concerned over the lack of places to
play, green spaces,and parks. If children are idle,they will get into mischief,which will lead
to crime.
Skylar Belfry, 18807 E 2" Avenue: Mr. Belfiy has lived 24 years at his address, and in the
last ten to twelve years the changes in the neighborhood have restricted the ability to be able
to roam the neighborhood as freely as before. The children cannot be left alone to play in the
front yards any Ionger. Mr. Belfry is a bike rider, it is a hassle to ride your bike on the road
without being honked at, yelled at, or pushed off the road. Mr. Belfry is a teacher at CVHS
and echoed Ms. Larson's comments regarding the portables and crowding at the high school.
Sherman Belfry, 18807 E. 2"d Avenue: Mr. Belfiy said he is the younger brother to the
earlier Mr. Belfiy and he had attended Greenacres Middle School. When he was middle
school age, he was unable to attend Greenacres middle school and was bussed to Evergreen
Middle School. His route would take him from Evergreen Middle School to Adams
Elementary to pick up and deliver those kids, then to Greenacres Middle School to pick up,
then he would wait for his drop off. He would arrive home approximately one and a half
hours after school had gotten out. He has also seen an increase in crime having had property
stolen from his home.
Lena Fuller, 19116 E Riverside Avenue: Ms. Fuller said when she bought her home she
was very proud to be a homeowner, and she can't believe the idea is being entertained to put
low income housing in this area. She believes the property values will decrease.
Marian Moseman, 630 S Michigan: Ms. Moseman said no one has addressed the
construction company. Ms. Moseman stated she purchased a Viking home eight years ago
and is currently in discussions with the City because of issues in and around her and her
neighbors' homes. She stated the sidewalks are deteriorating, the houses are sinking, the
yards are having compaction issues. Her concern is allowing the same company to construct
100 low income apartments. She said the company will not back their guarantees. When she
has requested that Viking come and fix a problem,they waited until after the warranty period
passed and then responded by saying they can no longer help. Ms Moseman said she had
contacted the City about the planning, the construction, the inspections and sign-offs. She
said the City told her after sign-offs no one is responsible. Ms. Moseman said the neighbors
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have an investment in their property. She said she moved to the area for her and for her nine
great-grandchildren, and she is concerned they will not be able to attend the neighborhood
schools. She said there has not been snow plowed in the area in two years. The year the City
received 36 inches of snow, there was a two fire trucks and an ambulance stuck in the streets
for five and a half hours. When the fire department needed more fire trucks, she wondered
why, if a truck could sit in the street for that long. Police had a stand-off up the street for
eight hours, it turned out to be drugs, they towed all the cars away and excused the woman
off because they could not be taken to court. These are the kinds of things we would be
facing. The City does not have enough money to enforce what you are responsible for now,
how will you pay for more. She feels it will be pushed off onto the taxpayers and they pay
for more than their share now for what they receive in return. She said she is opposed and
hopes the Commission will listen to the people and give them what they want.
There was an outburst of applause and Chair Stoy asked for order.
Stephanie Colombo, 18912 E Valleyway Avenue: Ms. Colombo stated she was a low
income homeowner, and does not have anything against low income people. When she was
"there" one day, she asked "how do you make it," She said the response from the person at
the Welfare Department was "if you had another kid that would help you." Ms. Colombo
stated she felt if Welfare was telling her to do it,then they would be telling other people to do
it to receive housing benefits to live there. So she believes the schools are just going to be
more crowded.
Paul Bonner, 19224 E 2"d Avenue: Mr. Bonner said he went to enroll his daughter in school
a couple of months ago. He was told his daughter will be bused to another school. He said
there is no place for the kids in the schools, there is no infrastructure; it isn't time yet.
Donna Leestma, 710 S Beige Lane: Ms. Leestma said the new apartments on Conklin are
barely finished and she doubts they are full. Near Flora along the river, the apartments there
are not completed yet and are not full. There are many in the area which are being built or
have space. She said there are adequate homes for people to live in at this time. She feels the
schools are too full. Barker is not wide enough. The neighborhood was told Barker would be
widened when the sewer went in and it wasn't, there wasn't enough money. There is no
place for the kids to ride. There used to be a path the kids could ride on which went to Liberty
Lake, now it has signs which say keep off. There is no more room for growth at this time.
Until schools can handle more and the roads are improved,how can you put more people into
our little tiny area.
Sean Kim, 18321 E 9th Avenue: Mr. Kim said he was opposed to the proposal. Mr. Kim
said he moved into their home five months ago, and they live close enough for their kids to
walk to school, but they have to be bused to another school. The traffic is hon'ible. Sundays
if the church is getting out,you cannot enter Barker. This proposal is not fulfilling the needs
of the community. There are plenty of apartments in the area with vacancies. This is not
fulfilling the needs of the community; it is only fulfilling the greed of the developer.
The Commission took a break at 7:41 p.m., and returned at 7:51 p.m.
Todd Whipple, Whipple Consulting Engineers: Mr. Whipple handed out a memo for the
Commission. Mr. Whipple said he would like to address the low income innuendo about the
apartments. He said these are not low income apartments, they are market rate apartments.
He said in the application there was mention about young families, so if all young families
are low income he apologized for the innuendo on his company's behalf. These were never
proposed to be low income apartments, but market rate apartments, $800 to $1200 per month.
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Mr. Whipple just wanted to make sure it was understood, if we get to the project stage, since
this is just a Comprehensive Plan amendment.
Mr. Whipple said he would like to address the roundabout. He said the roundabout is not of
his company's proposal. It is a City design idea. Since the mid-1990's there have been
Morningside, Turtle Creek, Turtle Creek South, and Twin Bridges; all of the projects which
have been built in the area have continued to analyze the intersections. He understands living
in the area that the traffic is a horrible thing, he is aware the City counted it recently. The
level of service is between C and D, which is not considered failing by City standards. He
understands the perception,and how it has changed.
Chair Stoy interrupted Mr. Whipple to ask a gentleman in the audience to sit down. The
gentleman wanted to dispute something Mr. Whipple said and Chair Stoy called for order
and asked the man to stop speaking, explained that the man could not speak from the
audience nor argue with Mr. Whipple. Something someone from the audience said was
unclear.
Mr. Whipple responded to something the gentleman said "if that's in the staff report, then
that's a typo and should never have been."
Then the audience erupted with disagreement and the Chair called for order, more than once.
Mr. Whipple said they looked at their application, the Commission can look in the City's
files, and there is nothing in the applicant's specific application which denotes low income.
If it made it into the staff report, he does not know how that happened but it was not part of
the application. He wanted to make sure this was clear to the Commission.
The audience outburst again, and Vice-Chair Carlsen warned anyone speaking from the floor
again would be removed
Mr. Whipple said the property to the north, which he felt Ms. Barlow had cleared up at the
February 27, 2014 meeting, is not owned by Viking. He said Ms. Barlow has spoken to that
property owner. The property is zoned MF-2 and the manufactured home park is zoned MF-
1, and these were requests made by that property owner, and done when the manufactured
home park was created and it is something which is there on purpose. It is one of the
deciding factors as it relates to this proposal as to the continuation of the MF-2 for your
deliberations. It was not done on a whim, it was done purposefully. If people happen to live
next to it and they are not aware of the zoning, he said he does feel for them but it is there.
Just because what you see currently is not what the property is zoned, it is what it is. Mr.
Whipple said the concept of Growth Management sometimes falls by the wayside. The
Comp Plan the City of Spokane Valley has is an extension of the Growth Management Act as
required by the State of Washington under which the City opted into. Annually the City is
allowed to do updates such as this. There are a series of standards included in the Comp Plan
which an applicant must meet in order to apply for an update. Growth Management is an
extension of the built environment within a confined boundary. Mr. Whipple said when he
has done public meetings, and he has done many, he has tried to inform people that Growth
Management is, in his opinion, the vertical integration of the built environment over time
because of the limits of the boundary. The City has to figure out how many people are going
to live here, and they have to fit within the boundary. Mr. Whipple said the land analysis Ms.
Barlow did for the Commission regarding the land available for multifamily housing was one
of the best done by a public servant, short of a normal in-depth GMA (Growth Management
Act) land quantity analysis. Mr. Whipple said his company is routinely doing a land quantity
analysis trying to figure out how many properties are available, available for sale, and can
any be combined. In order to bring a proposal forward there are a series of checks they must
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have before it can come before the Commission; it must be adjacent to either commercial or
high density residential, has to be on an arterial road, it has to be close to services generally.
It does not have to be next door to a hospital, but close to an urban service. He understands
the characterization of the area is rural but it is inside the Urban Growth Boundary or Area
(UGA) but it is right up against the City of Liberty Lake's border. If you look at Liberty
Lake's zoning, they have Mixed Use zoning right up to the border, which is higher density
allowances, along with commercial. This portion of Greenacres is going to be in flux for
quite a while while it catches up with Growth Management. Regardless of the decision of the
Commission or the City Council there is going to be continued pressure to allow for the
increase of residents who want to live in the City of Spokane Valley. Those people have the
right to have the option other than being able to afford to live in a single family house to live
in a decent neighborhood. He said this is why we bring these things forward.
Mr. Whipple said there is a term called environmental justice: : "not here, put it someplace
else, because that is really where it belongs." He said it isn't fair to the people who would
live in an apartment house, or would live in a different kind of housing community (cottage
houses, small lots, big lots). Mr. Whipple did not even feel large lots would be allowed at
one acre or one and a half acres in the City any longer. He said he had Mr. Kuhta put up a
zoning map to remind everyone of what the zoning is currently on the surrounding
properties, before his request. He said Barker is a minor arterial, based on City standards,
Sprague is a collector. (there was some grumbling in the background) Mr. Whipple said the
Commission and the neighbors need to understand that even if they see cows or manufactured
housing, the zoning is what is underlying and the property owner could come in tomorrow
and get a building permit to build without a public meeting and build within twenty feet of
the property line. He just wanted to remind the Planning Commission, and he knows they
have heard a lot;, there have been a lot of emotions, he does not blame them, he does
understand it, but the fact is the zoning is already in the area and that won't change. He said
it would affect the people across the street, but he does not have a project today. He said this
Comp Plan change meets all the criteria of the rules of the City and with Growth
Management.
Mr. Whipple said of all the projects he has done, the only other project he has done in
Spokane which has had this many people come talk against it was when he sited U-Hi. (and
a voice from the audience said, sand does it make sense) He said he sited University High
School at Pines and 32nd and we filled a gymnasium. (The man in the background kept
speaking and Chair Stoy asked the man to be quiet)
Mr. Whipple, said he understood how that could be a big deal. He had met with Ben Small
about the property the School District owns on Henry Road. He said Henry Road is intended
to be the access road to the new CV site. He said he met with Mr. Small because of the Twin
Bridges site next door, because it is an opportunity for the district to loop their water system
and to be able to hook up to sewer without a pump station. So he does know a little bit about
that property. He said he asked Mr. Small, when are you going to build the school, and his
response was if we get a bond; if we don't get a bond, then we can't build it. So that is the
issue with schools and school crowding,
Mr. Whipple said he would like to respond to the traffic issue. He said he knows the City
went out and counted the traffic. He said lie has seen traffic studies which have been done for
additional Morningside projects. Barker is currently functioning at an acceptable level of
service. It isn't great, especially if you have lived here a long time, but it is an acceptable
level of service. Mr. Whipple said if the Commission read the last memo he had turned in, it
would have been noted that if the property were to be developed, in any form, access would
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be either north of Barker or east of Barker. He said people would enter and exit above the
Barker intersection or east of the intersection but not at the intersection.
(there was a comment from the audience `then how would they get to the freeway')
Commissioner McCaslin asked people not to interrupt Mr. Whipple and someone from the
audience said they would leave. Mr. McCaslin said he was not asking anyone to leave. He
said however, Mr. Whipple never interrupted anyone one else while they were speaking, he is
simply asking the audience to give Mr. Whipple a chance to finish. However, during Mr.
McCaslin's attempt to make this request many people argued with him as well and disrupted
the room. Mr. McCaslin asked the audience to please allow Mr. Whipple the chance to
finish. There was a muted complaint from someone in the audience about three minutes, and
Mr. McCaslin tried to explain. Chair Stoy said Mr. Whipple is the applicant and he has
burden of proof Someone from the audience said "he is bringing these things up and we
have no response to that"and complained that Mr. Whipple called theme Greenacres. There
were many people speaking from the audience arguing with the Chair. Chair Stay used his
gavel and again and said please calm down, and Vice-Chair Carlsen said there will be no
more demonstrations from the floor. Chair Stoy asked for calm, Vice-Chair Carlsen said
"we will ask you to leave now sir." A man in the audience said 'fine, I am out of here, "and
he yelled from the floor that the dark part is owned by the planning commissioner right here,
he was on the planning commission." Mr. Kuhta also asked people to please calm down.
City Attorney Driskell said, "We are trying to have a respectful hearing where everyone has
an equal opportunity to talk, we have respect for the opinion of each other, and we would
appreciate the opportunity to do that." Someone from the floor wanted to know if they could
ask a question and City Attorney Driskell deferred to Chair Stoy. Chair Stoy responded that
someone else was test ding at this time.
A voice from the hallway yelled "eight units is not 100 units, 12 units is not 100 units, you
can go a long ways." Chair Stoy asked the man to stop, Vice-Chair Carlsen said he was not
furthering his cause by being combative towards the Commission. The man yelled "ya know
what, these people need to know these things, he needs to know these things. As far as I am
concerned this man is worse than a lawyer, and I am sorry about lawyers if any of you are,
but you have to compromise your morals to do what this man is doing right now. " Mr. Kuhta
told the man that was enough.
A different voice asked again if they could ask a question, again they were told they could not
ask a question at this time. Chair Stoy apologized to Mr. Whipple and invited him to
continue.
Mr. Whipple said he did not fault the man for being upset, Mr. Whipple said he is pretty sure
that there is no one who has testified, and he has written down 65 so far, who had any idea
they were adjacent next to MF-1 or MF-2 zoning. He said most people buy a house, look at
the surrounding neighborhoods and think it will stay the same or if it changes it will be a
similar type of development. He said he understands that. He said there are people here
tonight who live in the Tuttle Creek subdivision. If the people across the street on 8th Avenue
would have had anything to do with it, there wouldn't have been a Turtle Creek subdivision.
Apparently it is an ok place to live now, but now those same people think there is a traffic
problem on Barker. He said his office did a traffic study for Turtle Creek.
Mr. Whipple said there were comments on crime. He does not have any crime statistics, and
said the Sherriff did not comment. He said this is not a low income project.
He said there have been comments about it being rural, but it is really not rural, it in low
density residential. It is within the City's urban growth boundary. In low density residential
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it is allowed to build up to six units per acres, MF-1 up to 12 and MF-2 up to 22 units per
acre. He said he is sure the Commission has seen at another time, the School District's
standard response which is they have capacity, it may not be at the neighborhood school but it
has capacity in the district, but they did not respond to this proposal.
Mr. Whipple said he spoke at the end of the Iast meeting about the trip generation letter to try
and clear up any misunderstanding about the numbers it contained. He said when they
created the trip generation letter it was written with the assumption that fifteen units would be
built on the property. The greatest increase in traffic would be if there were a higher second
number and a lower first number, that way the increase would be 85 units, which would
generate the most trips, so the trip generation letter is conservative.
Mr. Whipple said he wanted to make sure again, that although it might have been in the staff
report, low income was not on their application. What was in the application was younger
families starting out or elderly on a fixed income.
Mr. Whipple said he felt staff did a good job. We have tried to make a good case for this to
be HDR (High Density Residential). With the lack of available HDR and the lack of
availability for additional apartment units,Mr. Whipple felt this proposal should be approved.
Yes there are apartments out there, but they don't build them if there isn't a need.
A woman from the audience said she had a question.
Dallas Williams: Mr. Williams asked if Mr.Mark Krigbaum was in attendance this evening.
Mr. Williams read from the minutes of the February 27, 2014 meeting: "The City's Comp
Plan only has 4% of the City designated for high density residential use (your words).
Adding this site will allow for the City to provide more housing for younger low income
households, as well as senior households on limited income." Mr. Williams then turned
toward Mr. Whipple and said `that is your employee that is low income; you stated it, fact of
merit.' Vice-Chair Carlsen told Mr. Williams he cannot address Mr. Whipple and he must
speak to the Commission. Mr. Williams continued to state that seniors would not be able to
pay $800 to $1200 per month to live in a unit. Mr. Williams said this is and has been a low
income plan, from day one which his employee right here stated in the minutes from the last
meeting.
Scott Jutte: Mr. Jutte argued the people should have known they were adjacent to high
density. Mr. Jutte wanted to know if Mr. Whipple could point out where the high density was
next to his property. (from the audience Mr. Whipple was heard to say that he qualified that
as people who live on Harmony and Valleyway.)
Another person from the audience wanted to know if they could ask a question. They were
told they must come to the microphone.
Deb Johnson: She said Mr. Whipple has said the entrance to the `project' would be to the
east of Barker Road. She said this would go right through her neighborhood, right past her
house. She said the traffic in the neighborhood is already scary. She thought there would be
an entrance off Nixon. She said this would not be ok. Commissioner Carlsen said the
property to the north which the end of Nixon is adjacent to is not the property which is being
discussed. Ms. Johnson argued it was. Commissioner Carlsen stated she would not argue
with Ms. Johnson but it was not the subject of the meeting tonight.
Mr. Whipple stepped to the podium and said, the parcel Ms. Johnson is talking about is the
property which the existing zoning is HDR and which allowed Mr. Whipple's proposal to
come forward. Mr. Whipple said he would like to clarify his earlier statement the access
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from this proposal would be east of Barker onto Sprague Avenue or north of the intersection
at Sprague and Barker onto Barker. He apologized for that confusion.
George Kovacs: Mr.Kovacs said does it matter what we put there if we don't want it. Does
it matter if it is low density, high density, one million apartments, does it matter what it is if
we the people who live around there don't want this, then does it matter what we put there.
We don't want it, that is the end of it, and that is what the City Council is for. They work for
us, this is what we want. Does it matter what we put there, no. So give us another
alternative. No one wants this but the money maker.
Deb Farnsworth: Ms. Farnsworth stated that Mr. Whipple said that people who can't afford
to live in their own homes should have the option to live in apartments. Do we not have
enough options in Spokane Valley as it is. Seriously, do we not have options. I don't think
anybody here would say would say, yea, we need some more. So, Mr. Whipple you are
wrong.
People from the audience (hallway) said something about property levels going down, and
Chair Stoy asked Mr. Palaniuk to close the door to the hallway. Vice-Chair Carlsen said the
Commission has heard considerable testimony on this subject and unless someone has
something new to add;and Chair Stoy added the Connunnissionr has other business to conduct.
Kathryn Scott, 19004 E Nixon: Ms. Scott said she was going to ask a question and she was
told she could not ask. She said she was a little upset. She said Mr. Whipple said the
proposal was near services. She wondered what services in the area. She said there are two
gas stations and a post office. What services are there to offer to a low income apartment
building. She said it is rural,which is why they don't have services. She said Greenaeres is a
money maker for Spokane Valley, no one puts any money into the area, they just take it
away.
Ms. Scott attempted to step behind the dais in order to try and point to the map on the screen.
Ms. Horton explained no one is allowed behind the dais and that she needs to speak into the
microphone for the record, and Mr. Palaniuk assisted her with a pointer.
She said the parcel in discussion is 55173.1005. She said she tried to count parcels and
determine where homes where in order to figure out where the access points to the property
would be. Vice-Chair Carlsen explained this discussion was for zoning only; there was no
project before the Commission so they would be unable to tell her where exactly the access
points would be. Ms. Scott wondered if these were not things they needed to think about.
Ms. Carlsen said, they are things to think about, but when they closed the public hearing, the
public would then hear what the Commission had to say. Ms. Scott said she did not know the
process, so it was good to know the Commission had an opinion. Chair Stoy explained the
Commission takes an application and make sure it meets the criteria for land use issues only,
which benefits are there like zoning in the area, otherwise they would not be able to do it. In
this case we do have that. Ms. Scott said that Mr. Whipple already addressed that and we
already do have that, but that doesn't mean we need more. Ms. Carlsen said that is why we
are here for you, we make a recommendation to Council whether or not we think that should
change. This is part of the process. Chair Stay added that but all we do is make a
recommendation, City Council makes the change. Ms. Scott said she understood that part of
it. Ms. Scott said Mr. Whipple commented North Pines was available but what about the
elementary and high school kids, where would they be bussed. They wouldn't be able to go
to North Pines. You can't put little kids in with that group, it has to be balanced.
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Mr. Kuhta interrupted and suggested the Commission discuss if they feel they have heard
enough on both sides of this issue or if they feel they need more. Chair Stoy said he felt they
had heard enough,everyone was repeating the same things—schools,traffic, services.
A man stepped up and said he had something different. Chair Stay said he would be the last
speaker on CPA-03-14.
Clyde Smith: Mr. Smith said Mr. Whipple blew off the crime statistics. Mr. Smith said he
looked up the crimes at different apartment buildings before he left to attend this meeting and
there are more crimes where there are more people.
Another woman font the audience requested to speak, saying she had not.spoken before and
has something new to offer. Chair Stoy asked her if she had something new to add and she
responded yes, she felt so. The chair assented and allowed the testimony.
Lena Holcomb, 18920 E Nixon: Ms. Holcomb said she is concerned about traffic in her
neighborhood. She said she wondered who would be benefitting from the project. Her
opinion is the public is not benefitting, the City, Viking construction are. She offered that
Whipple was creating a monopoly in the area and someone should look into it. She wanted to
know how Whipple had a say over the area just because he had a big construction company,
and she said monopolies are not good. She wanted to know why a demographic study wasn't
done. She said she had contacted Ms. Barlow and had been told it wasn't necessary. Ms.
Holcomb said if the Commission wanted to be thorough this should have been done. She also
said she did not receive a notice about the hearing. She said she has also heard other people
closest to the property did not get a notice, so she feels things have not been followed to the
letter. Vice-Chair Carlsen tried to make Ms. Holcomb understand which parcel was the
subject of the discussion. She said she understood that, but that she did not feel making the
road go through at Nixon was safe. Ms. Carlsen explained again, it was not the same
property, not the same land owner. Ms. Holcomb thanked her for clearing that up, but the
entrances were just mentioned and said you need to know the entrances Mr. Whipple is
planning in order to make a full evaluation. Ms. Carlsen reminded everyone again, there is
no proposed project. The Commission is discussing land use at this time, not a proposed
building. Ms. Holcomb wanted to argue that the Commission needed to examine a project to
make a decision.
Chair Stoy asked for a consensus if the rest of the Commissioners felt they have heard
enough testimony on CPA-03-14. Commissioner Anderson had stepped out of the room at
8:15 to attend to a medical problem. There was consensus from the Commissioners to move
forward and stop testimony on this amendment.
Chair Stoy asked for testimony on the remaining text amendments to the Comprehensive
Plan; CPA-04 to 10-14. Seeing no one who wished to testify on these amendments, Chair
Stoy closed the public hearing at 8:30 p.m.
Vice-Chair Carlsen stated that before the audience leaves this would be the time they would
be able to hear what the Commissioners have to say about the amendments. Mr. Kuhta also
reminded everyone the public testimony is closed at this time; that there would be no
questions from the audience although the Commission is allowed to ask staff clarifying
questions but that is all.
Chair Stoy began with CPA-01-14. Vice-Chair Carlsen moved to forward CPA-01-14 to
the City Council. Commissioner Carlsen stated for those who might not be aware, this is a
parcel located near Mirabeau Park. Commissioner Carlsen read a statement which said,
although she agreed mixed use developments were a positive form of development for the
City. In this location she did not agree with the zoning change from Parks and Open Space to
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Mixed Use Center. The land use designation on this parcel is opening it up to development
directly next to the Centennial Trail. The site has been identified in the City's priority habitat
map as urban natural open space and the Comprehensive Plan states urban landscaping, parks
and open space supplement natural areas in providing habitats for a wide variety of wildlife.
The eastern half of the parcel lies within the Shoreline Master Plan jurisdiction and is
designated as pastoral. Ms. Carlsen said according to City documents this site has significant
benefit to the environment in its current state as open space. She said the site next to the
Centennial Trail and future sidewalk development will present challenges for development
because of setback and access. According to the City's analysis the sidewalk will likely
require a border easement. In its current configuration the property is approximately 1.1
acres. She felt the required buffers would leave a developable area of 32,000 square feet.
Buffer and screening would be necessary due to its proximity to the Trail. This would
negatively impact the Trail users' visual enjoyment of the Trail. Land is available for
development to the east. State Parks commented they would prefer to have this parcel remain
as open space. Zoning would currently allow for a building 60 feet in height to be built on
the site. She does not feel this meets the requirement of bearing a substantial relationship to
the public health,safety,welfare and environment and she intends to vote no on the proposal.
Mr. Kuhta asked to clarify the motion which Commissioner Carlsen had made.
Commissioner Carlsen clarified the motion to say approve CPA-01-14 to City Council,
which was again clarified to say, recommend approval to the City Council. It was
discussed that the maker of a motion should not argue against their own motion.
At 8.36 p.m. Planning Manager Kuhta also informed the Commission that Commissioner
Anderson had a medical emergency which required him to leave the building. Commissioner
Carlsen moved to excuse Commissioner Anderson, this motion was passed unanimous.
Commissioner Neill said he agreed with all of the comments given by Commissioner Carlsen
regarding this amendment. Commissioner Sneider wanted to know if City Parks had
commented on CPA-01-14. Planner Marty Palaniuk said no comments were received from
City Parks, but from State Parks, requesting it remain as it is currently zoned. Commissioner
Sneider asked if the Friends of the Centennial Trial had commented, Mr. Palaniuk replied
they had not. Mr. Palaniuk said the City is required by state Iaw to provide notice regarding
Comprehensive Plan amendments. The City does it in three different ways; it is published in
the City's paper of record the Valley News Herald, a notice was posted at the Valley Library,
in the City Hall reception area and at the Permit Center Reception area and that notices are
mailed to addresses within a 400-foot radius of the property boundaries. The City requires
the applicant to submit a list from a title company which shows all parcels within the 400-
foot boundary to which notices are to be mailed. Mr. Palaniuk said the City is very
meticulous about these requirements. Mr. Palaniuk continued saying all required parties
regarding CPA-01-14 were notified. He did not know if the Friends of the Trail were
notified, staff did not receive any comments from them. Commissioner Stoy clarified that the
notices in the 400-foot radius are mailed to the property owner. If a person was renting
property, the notice would go to either the property owner or to the tax payer. Mr. Palaniuk
said if the owner and tax payer are separate, both parties are notified. Commissioner Stoy
commented he was agreeing with Commissioners Neill and Carlsen on this amendment. He
likes to use the Trail, he uses the parking lot located next to this parcel and he does not feel he
can support the change.
Commissioner Stoy asked for a vote of all in favor of recommending approval by a show of
hands, one in favor (Phillips), and five against (Sneider, Neill, Stoy, Carlsen, McCaslin), so
the motion failed.
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Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend denying approval of CPA-01-14 to the City
Council. By a show of hands, the vote on the motion was five in favor(Sneider, Neill, Stay,
Carlsen,McCaslin), one against(Phillips), motion passed.
Chair Stoy stated the CPA-02-14 was the amendment to change the property owned by
SCRAPS from Iow density to commercial mixed use. Vice-Chair Carlsen moved to
recommend denial of CPA-02-14 to the City Council. Commissioner Carlsen read her
statement saying she felt the change was an unnecessary encroachment of high density
development into an existing single family neighborhood. While there is a strip of Corridor
Mixed Use to the south, and Light Industrial to the west, the character of the neighborhood is
still low density single family residences. The vacant property serves as an appropriate buffer
to the single family houses. The change would allow a large commercial building to be built
and she did not feel it was appropriate. Commissioner Neil said he understood the home
owners' view who are opposed to the change. He felt their properties were already so
impacted with the brick makers, the train tracks, Trent Avenue. and the airport, he did not
feel the dogs walking on this property would not make much of a difference. Commissioner
Neill said with so many homeless animals, they deserved every opportunity to be able to be
adopted. The facility needed to be somewhere, and the animals deserved a chance. He felt
worse uses could be there. Commissioner Carlsen argued that right now walking dogs and a
meet and greet is great, but if the property is changed to Corridor Mixed Use it could mean
large buildings and commercial development later. Just because they say it will be a dog
park, does not mean they can't sell it and have a building built next year. She said the land
use is the issue, a dog park is great, but the change will open it up to a lot more development.
Commissioner Phillips stated he agreed with Commissioner Carlsen. He commented when
SCRAPS came in and wanted to put the animal shelter in that location, they should have
addressed the property at that time instead of waiting to come in and change it. He also
believes the home owners deserve a buffer. There is no guarantee SCRAPS will not get into
a financial straight and sell it to some other commercial venture. He did not feel the
commercial needed to go that far to the north. Commissioner Stoy said he agreed with
Commissioner Neill, the property was part of the original purchase by SCRAPS. They
testified at the February 27 meeting they were in a hurry to get the building opened up. This
is just an oversight that the property wasn't zoned appropriately. There is a required
minimum six-foot foot high sight obscuring fence and a minimum of a five-foot very heavily
landscaped buffer into the property already. There are 20-foot setbacks which are required.
A large commercial building can't happen there, there is not enough property to do it. He
agrees the homeless animals need the opportunity to be adopted, and he will support this
proposal.
Chair Stay asked for show of hands of those recommending denial and three (Carlsen,
Phillips, Sneider) were against and three (Stoy, Neill, McCaslin) were for, resulting in a tie,
therefore the motion failed. Commissioner McCaslin suggested waiting on this vote for
Commissioner Anderson. After conferring with City Attorney Driskell, Mr. Kuhta discussed
the options with the Commission. The options would be making another motion hoping more
discussion might persuade someone or the amendment would move forward as a tie, with no
recommendation. After the Commission conferred,the consensus was to forward CPA-02-14
to the City Council with no recommendation.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to extend the meeting to 9:30 pin. Commissioner Carlsen said
she felt the Commission needed more time to get their business finished. This motion was
passed unanimously.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend denial of CPA-03-14 to the City Council.
Commissioner McCaslin said he felt there were seven issues, the first being property rights
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and home values. Another is public officials,whether appointed or elected_are accountable to
the public,they need to listen to the public's concerns. There is the good possibility of crime
increasing. He has lived in both and seen it happen first hand. There will be traffic issues,
whether we want them or not. The fact that it is currently zoned for single family, it is
incumbent on the developer to be sure you can change the zoning if you invest there. Mr.
McCaslin said he does work near the proposal, and he does not speak for the CVSD, he
wanted it to be clear, but the schools are overcrowded. They would not be able to handle that
many kids. Commissioner McCaslin stated he was for denial.
Commissioner Carisen said she appreciated the community involvement in the process. She
thanked the public for attending. She has heard the concerns. She appreciates those who
have conducted themselves in a polite manner. She stated it helps the Commissioners to help
the public if they come in respecting the Commissioners' positions. The concerns she has
heard have included traffic, noise, increase in crime, the impact of overcrowding on public
schools, decrease in property values, increase in emergency response times, and lack of
public services. Her first major concern with the proposal is that the potential approval of
this requested change would strand parcel 556173.1018 the `island' property. She is
concerned it would leave this lone piece of land low density in this area. This individual
landowner has participated in our public hearings as well by sending a letter and he is very
much opposed to this change. According to staff, this would be an undesirable zoning
situation and would require a change to this parcel as well. She believes this is an unfair
result to this particular homeowner,to require a change in their current zoning to fit the needs
of someone who is not a resident of the neighborhood and looking to their economic gain and
not the living conditions of the current residents. According to the City's Comprehensive
Plan, she continued, the demand for single family housing is expected to continue for the
foreseeable future. Also, the City expects that development will occur as infill development
of vacant or underdeveloped Iots throughout existing neighborhoods and subdivisions. She
claimed that is what this is. Changing zoning of these vacant and underdeveloped lots within
established neighborhoods to a land use of multifamily directly opposes the City's own plan
to use these areas for development of additional low density residential. With a current
allowable density of six dwellings per acre, this is an opportunity for 30 units on this
particular parcel. In the City's land use goal LUG 1 and Policy 1.1 the City states that
existing lots sizes and community character will be strongly considered when developing the
City zoning. In this case the existing lot sizes and community character are not high density
or even low density R-4. The development of the parcel to its current potential is already
higher density than some of the surrounding areas. An apartment complex of any size would
not fit the character of this community. The City also has a policy for minimizing land
needed for multifamily zoning, to accommodate the City's population growth projections, by
allowing for a reduction in overall lots sizes to enable the City to maintain its existing single
family character. The City also states it will adopt strict criteria to evaluate zone changes to
ensure future development is compatible with the surrounding neighborhoods. She went on
to say our own Comprehensive Plan states that we will try to ensure that future development
is compatible with surrounding neighborhoods. Our City land use policy LUP 1.7 directs us
to changes within the low density residential category only when specific criteria are met. In
her opinion, this request does not meet the criteria. Additionally, on HDR designations,
according to our Comprehensive Plan consideration should be taken for them to be located in
areas near high density development and in close proximity to businesses and commercial
centers. She does not feel that this is the case with this location. The Planning Commission
has received testimony from many concerned citizens at the February 27 meeting as well as
this evening, countless letters and two petitions opposing the zoning change. This indicates
this close knit neighborhood would like to retain their current low density environment. She
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wanted to acknowledge the concerns the public has addressed, and say she shared the
concerns. Overcrowding of the schools is a very real concern. Site is also concerned with the
impact on property values on single family residences. With these concerns in mind, she
asked the other Commissioners to also vote to recommend denial on the amendment.
Commissioner Neill stated the public outcry against the amendment has been extremely well
organized and successful. He said the public had done a great job in engaging the
Commission in their jobs, also thanking them for participating in the process. Commissioner
Neill wanted to address the `view'. He used an analogy of his own backyard and no longer
being able to plant roses and a garden because the maple trees from his neighbor's yard
shades his too much now. He can't cut down the neighbor's trees. He said the neighbors
have a right to their property values. Mr. Neill stated he went to the neighborhood on a
Saturday afternoon,the traffic was very busy. Adding a 100 unit apartment complex it would
be even busier. He said he felt if the City had the money to build the infrastructure to support
the proposal it would help,however they do not. The City does not have the money to get the
Sullivan Bridge done. If they cannot afford that project,they can't afford the traffic project at
Barker and Sprague. He said the neighbors have a right to be able to get to their homes. It
can't be done when traffic is backed up to the freeway. Mr. Neill said he was firmly against
the proposal.
Commissioner Sneider said the proposal is not adjacent to any public transit lines, it might be
near them, and it is not next to commercial areas either. The proposal hinges on if there is
high density zoning on the property just to the north. He looked at the zoning in the area,and
it looks out of place. So much emphasis has been placed on it being adjacent to high density
zoning, but it just doesn't seem right that there is low density residential zoning to the south
and to the east. Based on the other items mentioned by Commissioners Carisen and Neill,he
is against this proposal.
Commissioner Phillips said this proposal caused him some trouble. He felt it was probably a
good place for high density. However, Greenacres itself is fairly rural and based on that he
has a hard time supporting it to be a high density piece of property. He understands the
neighborhood and he has listened to the many neighbors who get upset about change.
However change is inevitable. In this case you can't help what is happening on Barker, you
can't help they opened up Chapman Road. He is going to support denial because of the
efforts of the community more than anything else. He said according to the text books, it is
probably the logical place to put apartments; it is on a couple of arterials. In this case, at this
time, he does not feel it is appropriate,
Commissioner Stoy said the Commission has read all of the correspondence they have
received; we have listened to the testimony. We understand the Iot to the north, which was
rezoned high density in 1996, allows this proposal to be brought forward. Commissioner
Stay said he does not feel this is the right spot for an apartment complex either. He is against
this proposal. He said he thought the neighbors did a great job organizing and bringing the
concerns forward. This is what the Commission is here for, to listen to what the people have
to say be it proponent or opponent.
Chair Stoy said the motion is to recommend denial of CPA-03-14 to the City Council. By a
show of hands the vote is six in favor, zero against. Motion passed, the recommendation is to
deny CPA-03-14.
Chair Stoy asked the audience to keep order. Commissioner McCaslin wanted to remind the
public to attend the City Council meetings. Planning Manager Kuhta informed the audience
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that notices do not go out regarding Council meetings; and said the public hearing is before
the Planning Commission. They will accept comment on the reading of the ordinances. He
suggested staying in touch with Ms. Barlow, himself or checking the City's website
(www.spokanevalley.org)for the posting of the Council agendas. He said it would likely be
mid-April before these items are on the Council agenda. He said there would be no more
questions this evening; the Commission had more business to attend to.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-04-14 to the City Council.
Commissioner Sneider wanted to ask a question about LUG-3. Encourage the development of
underutilized residential areas to improve connectivity. He wondered if there were unintended
consequences in this goal. He said we are looking for creative ways to infill but we want to
make sure we infill in ways that meet the character of the neighborhood. He wanted to make
sure someone cannot come in and change the character of the neighborhood. Would there be
any consequences from this. Commissioner Stoy said this would be addressed at the project
stage. Mr. Sneider said he understood that, but he said people can interpret things differently.
It might say we want mixed housing types, apartments, houses. Mr. Kuhta said the way this
would work out, is if the proposal moved forward, Staff would come back with regulations
which would implement the goals and policies. As staff had shown before, the most likely
result would be a deviation in the width of the road. We encourage public roads to be built,
they might be a little bit narrower but still be a public road. In exchange we might offer a
little bit more density. Staff is only talking about single family development; there is no talk
about allowing this in multifamily development. It would allow the developer a little more
flexibility to be able to use the land a little more efficiently. He told the Commissioners they
still needed to be ok with the policy, and that it would be implemented in a fashion similar to
what staff has described. It would still be up to the property owner to make the decision. It
just allows another option for development. Commissioner Carlsen said she felt the policy
itself was a good idea. The regulations will come later on and the character of the
neighborhood can be addressed at that time. In general she felt the goal was a good one. The
vote to recommend approval was six in favor,to zero against, motion passed.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-05-14 to the City Council.
Commissioner Stoy said this was an annual update to the transportation chapter of the Comp
Plan. The vote on this motion was six in favor,zero against, motion passed.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-06-14 to the City Council.
Chair Stoy explained this was an annual update to the capital facilities chapter of the
Comprehensive Plan. The vote on the motion was six in favor,zero against,motion passed.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-07-14 to the City Council.
Chair Stoy explained this is an annual update to the utilities chapter of the Comp Plan. The
vote on the motion was six in favor,zero against, motion passed.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-08-14 to the City Council.
Chair Stoy said this is an annual update to the economic development chapter of the Comp
Plan. The vote on the motion was six in favor, zero against, motion passed.
CPA-09-14 was withdrawn by the City.
Commissioner Carlsen moved to recommend approval of CPA-10-14 to the City Council.
Chair Stay said this is an update to the maps which are associated with the bikeway network
system which was developed last year. The vote on the motion was six in favor,zero against,
motion passed.
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GOOD OF THE ORDER: Chair Stoy said that this evening had been an interesting public
hearing. The comments for and against the amendments this evening had been well thought
out and well taken. He felt this was a good session for this year's Comp Plan amendments.
Vice-Chair Carlsen thanked the neighbors who attended and participated.
AD OURNMENT: There being no other business the meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Joe Stoy,Chairperson
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Deanna Horton, secretary
Date signed 0''l//r _
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