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Pre-Incorportion Public Hearing Transcripts BRB 555-01 08/08/2001�^ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 l BEFORE THE BOUNDARY REVIEW BOARD August 8, 2001 7:00 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING BRB 555 -01 Being held at 1445 North Argonne Spokane, Washington PRESENT: Robert E. Nebergall, Board chairman Douglas Beu, Board member John B. Hagney, Board member Lawrence B. Stone, Board member Daniel E. Turbeville, III, Board member Robert Kaufman, Special Assistant Attorney General Susan Winchell, Director Michael Basinger, Planner Danette Dobbins, Staff Assistant Peter Fortin, Consultant 1 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 questions for you when you call the office, and Mr. Robert Kaufman is the Special Attorney General, and Peter Fortin who has done a very capable job as consultant on the Spokane Valley proposal. At this time I would ask if there are any members of the Board who have received any exparte communication regarding this matter, and if any members believe that they cannot hear this matter on the basis of the appearance of fairness doctrine. MR. STONE: I just want to let the Boundary Review know and the public know that I own industrial property in the Yardley area, and that is one portion that is covered by the proposed incorporation. I also own a manufacturing business in the Yardley area. I also own industrial and residential property in the City of Spokane and City of Airway Heights. I did want the public and the Board to be aware that I have interests, and I also want the public to know that this will have no,affect on my ability to render a fair and impartial decision. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. stone MAN: We would like to know if any of the Board lives in the Valley. I don't know if that is a fair question or not. CHAIRMAN: We'll deal with that at a break 3 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 tonight. At tonights public hearing first the staff will present an overview of the incorporation process and the brief overview of the Spokane Valley incorporation proposal. The proponents will then present the basis for the proposal. The representatives of the agencies affected by the proposal will then be given an opportunity to address the Board, and then those signing the roster will be called in the order the signed. Because of the formal nature of the public hearing, only Board members can ask questions of the speakers. If you do have questions, the Boundary Review Board staff.will be available at the break which we will take at approximately 8:00, and after the hearing to assist you. To be most effective in your testimony, speakers are asked to direct your comments to the factors and objectives of the Boundary Review Board is required to consider when making its decision. A list of these factors and objectives is available in the brochure on the table. Because of the timing of the adoption by Spokane County of its GMA comprehensive plan urban growth area this public hearing will be continued to 7:00 p.m. Monday August 27th at the same location. The Board will accept written testimony on this proposal 2 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 until August 27th, and the Boundary Review Board will not make a decision on the proposal at tonight's hearing and will make either its decision at the close of the public hearing on August 27th or set another date. The public hearing will now please come to order. This hearing is called to gather facts and to hear testimony in the matter of File No. BRB 555 -01 Proposed Incorporation of the City of Spokane Valley. Will all those who plan on speaking at tonight's public hearing please rise and raise your right hand. The planner will now administer the oath. MS. WINCHELL: Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? SPEAKERS: Yes. MS. WINCHELL: So sworn. CHAIRMAN: The Boundary Review Board Director will now present the proposal. MS. WINCHELL: First I'll give you a background of Boundary Review Boards and go over an overview of the proposal on the incorporation. Boundary Review Boards were created in 1967 to provide a method of guiding and controlling growth in municipalities. Boundary Review Boards are 5 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 a quasi judicial administrative bodies, and the Boundary Review Boards make decisions on annexations, new city incorporations and utility extentions. Boundary Review Boards can approve proposals, modify proposals or deny proposals. The Spokane County Boundary Review Board has five members, they are appointed by the governor, the mayors of the cities and towns of Spokane County County Commissioners and the special purpose districts. The Board members are residents of Spokane County, and one of the stipulations of the law is they cannot hold local government elected or appointed positions, contracts or jobs with local governments. The Boundary Review Board bases their decision on several things that are outlined in the statutes. They have certain factors which I'll go over, objectives, and their decisions must be consistent with growth management, the planning goals, countywide planning policies and urban growth areas as identified in the Growth Management Act. The factors that the Board must consider in making a decision are listed in the brochure that you have, and when you are presenting your testimony you can address these. One is population density, land area and uses, adopted comprehensive plan and zoning, topography and soils, 1 D BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 projected growth rates for the area, community facilities, the need for municipal services or urban services of an area, the adequacy of services, existing services and the cost of proposals, the effect on adjacent areas, effects on the county and other governments units, and then a look at alternatives to the proposals. The objectives that the Boundary Review Board shall attempt to meet in each of these decisions include preservation of the neighborhoods and communities, use of physical boundaries, provision of logical service areas, provision of irregular boundaries, adjust impractical boundaries, discouragement of small cities for incorporation and encouragement of cities over 10,000 population, encourage incorporation and annexation of urban areas and protection of rural and ag lands as designated in a adopted county comprehensive plan. To be consistent with the Growth Management Act there are a few sections that are specifically called for, and one is the planning goals of the Growth Management Act. The Countywide planning policies, which were adopted a few years ago by Spokane County, urban growth areas which the Spokane County currently has adopted the interim urban growth area which is 7 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 something that we talked about and is in the process of adopting the final growth area, and also development regulations. Spokane County has interim development regulations and is in the process of developing final development regulations. I just wanted to talk a little bit about the urban growth area, because the urban growth area is kind of a key one for this proposal and part of it is just the timing of how this fits in. The County Commissioners are expected to adopt the final urban growth area next Thursday, August 16th, and that's why the Bounday Review Board is having to continue the hearing until after the Commissioners adopt that urban growth area. That is a key one for this decision. The steps that a city would go through to incorporate, are the Notice of Intent is filed with the county, and this was done last August for this proposal. The Boundary Review Board held a public meeting in September of 2000. A petition was circulated and turned in to the auditor declaring sufficient in March, a Notice of Intention was filed with the Boundary Review Board May 31, and an incorporation study was prepared and issued June 10. Tonight the Boundary Board is holding a public hearing which will be continued August 27 and then the Board 0 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 will deliberate and make their decision.' If the Board files their decision by September 6 an election can be held in November, and if it passes then there will be election for City Council and an interim period will exist and then the incorporation will be final. There are a few steps yet before it can be completed. Here is the time line as far as the actual dates for each of these steps. Where we are right now is August 8th, the Boundary Review Board public hearing which is right in the middle. August 16th is when the county is expected to adopt their growth management plan and their urban growth area, August 27th the continued Boundary Review Board hearing and they may deliberate and make their decision that day, or they may set up a new date. If the resolution and hearing decision is filed by September 6, the County Commissioners can set an electon date and hold the election in November. If if is filed after September 6, then the election will be in the spring, February, March, April, depending on when the hearing decision was filed. As I mentioned, and many of you have attended a presentation on the incorporation study, the Boundary Review Board completed an incorporation study of the incorporation proposal, it has five parts L•, BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and we have copies available of the report in the back and it's also also on CD rom and on our web page. These are the five parts and what we will concentrate on tonight is to give you an overview of the proposal and talk a little bit about revenue expenditures and the alternatives to incorporation. Her'js just the basics of the incorporation. The proposed city name is City of Spokane Valley and this is something that cannot change. It is a non - charter code city with a council /manager form of government, and this is a little different from other proposals that the Spokane Valley in that the others were a strong mayor /council form of government. The council /manager form of government is similar to all the other new cities that have been formed in the state of Washington since 1990. The 2001 population for the Spokane Valley area is 82,135, 45 square miles, with a population density of about 18 -- 1800 per square mile the assessed value is about 4.45 billion. And we have lots of maps around and maps in your brochure that will describe the boundaries, but the maps show -- the red line shows the urban growth area as proposed and expected to be adopted by the commissioners next week. The dark green area is.the area proposed for 10 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 incorporation, and anything with an urban growth area can be included in the incorporation. At this point the proponents decided to include only the area within Fire District 1, so there is an area around Northwood, which is Fire District 9 and that was excluded, an area south of 44th, the Ponderosa area which was excluded because that is Fire District 8. This will give you an idea of the population growth that has occurred and is expected to occur in the next ten years. The Spokane County as a whole had a 13.5 percent change of population from 1990 to the year 2000. This is based on the 2000 census and at that same rate of growth, that is that population density is expected to reach in 2010. The unincorporated area of the county had a 6.9 percent increase, the incorporated area, all the cities and towns had 10.5. The City of Spokane had a 9.4 percent increase, and the Spokane Valley incorporation area had about a 9.7 percent increase. And this is the population density comparison with other cities in the state of Washington. Spokane Valley has, by far, the lowest population density. The Shoreline is on the left and has the highest density and Tacoma and Federal.Way, Bellevue, 11 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the City of Spokane, Everett, Vancouver, Lakewood, Yakima, Kent, Bellingham, and Kennewick. So those are all the cities in Washington over 50,000, and excluding the City of Seattle. Land uses within the Spokane Valley covers all kinds of urban land uses, and some suburban land uses. 47.2 percent of the land is single family residential. About 23 percent is undeveloped and it could be that it is undeveloped and there might be an approved plat on it and it is just not developed yet, it could be that it's undeveloped and it's agriculture that is lumped all together, and I think you can see the other percentages. And another segment of the study is kind of financials of the new city, and Mr. Fortin is going to go over and kind of summarize the financial side of the report. CHAIRMAN: Do the Board members have any questions of Ms. Winchell? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Fortin. MR. FORTIN: Good evening. This report has been given in a public presentation here in the Nevell auditorium. It was given to the Valley Chamber here in the Nevell 12 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Auditorium and was given to the County Commissioners. It was given to the County Department heads and it was given to the Regional Chamber of Commerce and SERTI. And I know there was some people in the room who have heard this two or three times. So what I would like to be able to do tonight is to kind of summarize the financial feasibility portion of the report. And the first thing I did was to develop budgets for departments that in my opinion would be best performed by city employees. And you can see what they are up there, obviously the mayor, council, city manager, and city clerk, the things that are of necessity that be done within the city itself. The total of 52 employees that I proposed within that. Then there is another whole group of departments or functions that because of their complexity would be very difficult for a new city to perform themselves, and this budget that I have developed shows these functions being contracted with Spokane County to provide those services. And this budget that I have developed is a budget that I have developed, it's not a budget that a new city would adopt, and I want to state that right up front. I think that when the new city is formed, the mayor and council are going to set their priorities 13 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and give those priorities to the newly hired city manager who will then develop a budget in accordance with their council's desires, not Pete Fortin's. So what we have here are functions that are currently being performed by Spokane County within the corporate boundaries of what would be the City of Spokane Valley. And these are the estimated costs that the County has been providing those current services within this boundary. So you can go through the list, you've got court, probation, public defender, the biggest one is the sheriff. You have Geiger Correction, which is a minimum security prison, then you have the County jail, animal control, engineering and administration, which is street design, right -of -way acquisition, things like this, street maintenance, and then the big item that I don't think any other city in the state has had to face, and that is that the Spokane Valley and virtually all the rest of Spokane County is in the process of being sewered, mainly in the Valley, and currently Spokane County Commissioners have adopted a policy where 1 /8th of the sales tax they collect goes toward subsidizing hookups for sewering in the Valley, and the adjacent areas. So 80 percent of the effort is taking place in the Valley, and I put in an amount which is M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 equivalent to 80 percent of the amount that Spokane County Commissioners are putting into the sewering, and that comes out to 2.9 million. So this would continue, the hookup subsidy that the County is providing, and it would then be the responsibility of the new city to provide that amount. And we have buildings and code enforcement, hearing examiner, park's, and this is for maintenance of the parks that are inside the corporate limits of Spokane Valley. GIS is for me the program to handle this and the planning department in the new city to maintain their parcel layers. The total for the county is 29 million, 212 added onto that, we have Spokane County Air Population Control which is an assessment based formula that works out to be about 135,000, and then State Department of Transportation when the city incorporates, the city is then required to provide the maintenance on state arterials within the city and then the City of Spokane Valley, will have a portion of Trent and Pines, and that estimate is $300,000 a year for that maintenance. On the.revenue side, I have in the maximum amount allowable for property taxes for a city which contracts for fire and library services. My assumption is that the new city would continue to contract or annex Fire District 1 and to the Spokane County Library 15 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 District. If you do that, it leaves a $1.60 per thousand to the City for general purposes. That is what the 7,120,000 works out to be. The sales tax is at the same level the County is currently charging, 14.3 million dollars. Now, when a city assesses sales tax out of the.one percent, they keep 85 hundredths and 15 one hundredths goes to the County, so this is the amount that will go to the City. The 85 hundredths is 14.3 million dollars. If you look at that amount as a percentage of all the sales tax collected in the unincorporated area, that amounts to about 70 percent, so you can see there is an awful lot of sales tax generated within Spokane Valley. Criminal justice is a state one tenth of one percent which can be levied, the County currently levies it, franchize fees is on cable TV at four percent and the County currently levies that. Gambling tax the same way. I've just carried over what tax the County currently levies. The only addition I have in there is a five percent admissions tax, and that would be on theaters. Building permits is the amount that would be collected, charging the same building permit level that Spokane County currently charges, that is the 894,000 16 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and a good portion of that is paid back to the County Planning Building Department for services. Planning fees is a guess on my part, but I think it is somewhere around 100 to $150,000 a year. The State shared revenues are given to the City based on a per capita formula, and at 82,000 people that is what it works out to be. Fines and forfeits is the amount that would come in through District Court, the estimate is about a million and a half would be collected due to infractions within the City, and it would cost about 1.7 million to operate the court. And interest earning amounts that could be earned, or cash that comes in today that is not needed for a day or week or month and through investment, you could get at least $175,000 a year. So if you look at the bottom line there, we have 28.6 million dollars in 2001, and 31 million in 2003, which I would assume would be the first full year of operation of the new city. Then we have other revenues. There is currently a hotel motel tax levied by Spokane County, my assumption is new city would continue to levy that tax. It would be only used for promotion or tourism and convention business or to maintain facilities that provide those services. On the capital investment 17 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 side, State shared revenue is the arterial gas tax, and that is based on a per capita formula as to what the new city could get, and real estate excise taxes of which there are two, both being one quarter per cent each. The total amount that I am estimating available for capital purposes in 2001 is 2.2 million, jumping up to 2.4 million in 2003. One of the biggest things that everyone here is seeing are the capital improvements currently going on in Spokane Valley, and it is nice to see Argonne with some asphalt on it. But that is due to a couple of things. One is the sewering of the Valley, z and the County Commissioners decided that when a street was dug up to be sewered, that rather than just pave the strip where the pipe is, they would pave curb to curb. So we've got an awful lot of streets that have been dug up this summer and an awful lot of money being spent for these capital projects. Now, the sewer projects here are only the sewering portion, they don't even address the addition of another treatment plant, which is contemplated being online by 2007, I believe. So that is not even included there. And these fees are paid by user fees, they are paid by State grants, and they are paid by the aquifer protection tax that everybody pays and by the IM BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 subsidy that the County currently puts in. Parks is something that is just a general obligation of the County. And the roads, the County gets much more money, they certainly get a lot more in property tax for the maintenance of roads than the cities do, and a lot of that payment has to do with the sewering project. But do we have one showing individual use -- well, you can see here the local cost for 2002 and 2003 on roads is 7.8 million dollars. And the total that would be spent would be 28 million. So there were grants and other things going into that 28 million. But if we look at 7.8 million, you can see that the city is sitting -- there with somewhere around 2.4 million a year. So the amount that the City, as I see it, could put into streets isn't as much as the County could, but the County is going through a big construction boom right now because of the sewering, and I think that would drop off. But the City could stretch out its capital improvement program over a longer period of time. When I mentioned engineering administration of a little over 3 million dollars a year, that money is mainly spent for street design, acquisition of the right -of -way, and all things that are road construction related. So that if the City weren't maintaining that 19 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 almost 4 million dollars a year in street construction, it could cut the amount it was paying the County on the engineering administration side because the engineers, wouldn't be any sense in designing the road if you were not going to construct it within a year or two, so I think there is probably at least a million there that would be a reduced on the general fund side if, in fact, the new city couldn't maintain the current pace of street construction. So as I said, we have a budget developed by Pete Fortin that will not be a budget that is adopted by any city or any county, it is just my guesstimate based on what other cities are doing, as to what the City of Spokane Valley would do approximately. And we have somewhere around two and a half million dollars between what would be generated in revenue and what is anticipated to be spent. Now, when I estimated salaries, I estimated all the salaries at 90 percent of the top level for cities over 50,000 in Eastern Washington. So those salaries could be reduced by a council. A council could go through and change the amount of services they wish to provide in different functions. They could add, they could subtract, and the council has the ability to levy other taxes. At this point, based on X11] BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what I've seen, a new city could operate with the same level or less taxes and provide basically the same level of service, but it is really up to that newly elected mayor and council to set the priorities for the new city based on what they hear from the citizens, and it is not up to me to say how they would balance. There are certainly plenty of options available to a newly elected city mayor and council. CHAIRMAN: Any questions by the Board to Pete Fortin? Thank you. MS. WINCHELL: One of the things that the Boundary Review Board is required to do is look at alternatives. In the incorporation study, we just briefly described some government alternatives for the Spokane Valley, things that have been proposed in the past. One was an expanded County Commission with five commissioners instead of three, and that was thought to give more representation to the Spokane Valley. Something else is partial annexation, annexation of parts of the Valley to the City of Spokane, consolidation of the government. This is something that the freeholders had proposed and was voted on. Functional consolidation of services, this is something that is under consideration now, the sheriff and state police share services and there are 21 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 other services that are shared. The waste water treatment plant, that would be expanded. And another alternative is to remain unincorporated and for the Spokane Valley to continue to receive services as provided by the County and the special purpose districts. Another area that the Boundary Review Board can take action on is modifying the boundary to the proposal. The Boundary Review Board can modify the proposal, by modifing the land area by 10 percent, and there were 11 areas that are in the incorporation study and these can be looked at in more detail by the Board or if you want to not consider any more or people tonight presenting testimony have other areas that they would like considered, we can put anything together on these. Some of these we have letters on file asking for territory to be added to the new city or excluded from the new city. First we are going to try to do closeups of some these areas of the map so that you can see, and I don't know if those of you can see the map okay. The first area is the Yardley area, it is in the City of Spokane's water and sewer service area, and in the City of Spokane's adopted urban growth area, 22 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 so this is an area that was requested by the City of Spokane that the Boundary Review Board consider excluding from the proposal to let the City of Spokane to continue to serve. It is approximately 840 acres, which is about 2.7 percent of the land area of Spokane Valley. It has a population 220, which is a very minor percentage of the population. 88 dwelling units, assesed value is 139 million dollars, which is about three percent of the assessed value of the entire proposal. It is mostly an industrial area with only 88 housing units, there are not a lot of residents. And the Yardley area is the only area that has a significant -- that generates a significant amount of sales tax, and I think it is nine and a half percent of the total Spokane Valley, which I think is about 1.3 million dollars. The second area that we looked at is the Alcott area, and I think it is 8th Street on the north to 16th on the south, and this is another area that is served by the City of Spokane for water and sewer and into the City of Spokane's urban growth area. It has a population of about 350, which is about 4 /10ths of a percent of the whole area, a very small portion. 120 dwelling units, about 133 acres, which is about a half percent of the whole incorporation area assessed value 23 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of 13 million, which is about .8 percent of the entire proposal, and that is mostly residential. And there is a lot of undeveloped land which used to be the gravel area. And then the third area, and these are all in the incorporation study, is an area that we just labeled the Carnahan area, and this is an area, the area in the pink is in Fire District 8, and that is why it was excluded from the Valley incorporation proposal, because they only included Fire District 1. This is an area where the boundary is irregular, it runs along parcel lines and in some cases even between homes. And I think one of the people on our steering committee said it goes right through the property that he owns. I don't think it actually bisects any parcels, but it is kind of hard to tell from the boundaries. This is the area, the whole pink area is 106 acres. The population is about 577, there is about 230 dwelling units, and 33 million dollars in assessed value. It would be possible to modify the proposal to make it a more easy to read boundary by not including the whole area, the red line is the urban growth area, so we took the largest area to include as a modification, but if the Board is interested in getting more information, we can look at different alternative to include different 24 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 parts of it. The forth area is the Ponderosa area, and this is one that the Board received a lot of comments on. And it's an area that 44th street is the division, right in the middle. The north side is Fire District 1, so it was included in the incorporation proposal, and the south side is Fire District 8, and that is why it was left out. A number of letters that the Board received asked that Ponderosa be kept as one neighborhood and not be divided, either all of it in the incorporation proposal or all of it out or the incorporation proposal. So we kind of looked at both pieces. The area north of 44th is 423 acres, the population is 1367, there is 526 dwelling units and 69 million dollars is the assessed value. The area south, which is in Fire District 8, has 440 acres, 1448 people, 580 dwelling units, and the assessed value of 71 million dollars. So that is an area that has received a lot -- I mean people in that area have written letters to the Board about the exclusion. The fifth area we just called 40th Avenue area, it kind of runs down the middle. It is in Fire District 1, it is inside urban growth area and it is 601 acres, or about two percent of the total acreage. 25 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Population is 259, and there is 104 dwelling units and assessed value is about 17 million. This is one where people in the area asked that it be excluded because it was less developed and more rural. I don't know. I think it is written down. That is the fifth area. The sixth area is another area that the Board received comments on asking that it be excluded. 214 acres, the population is 75, 30 dwelling units, the assessed value is about 7 million, and this is one where people said the residential was large lots and more surburban and it is not in an area to be sewered in the County sewer plan. The seventh area is that pink area, and this is one that was excluded because it is in Fire District 8, and it is really part of a subdivision on the Morning Star PUD. Fire District 8 and Fire District 1, it is nine acres with 13 dwelling units and an estimated population of 30, and assessed value of 2.3 million. This is one that was to be included because access is only from the area that would be in a new city. And then the eighth and ninth areas -- well, the eighth area is Greenacres, and that was one that people asked to be excluded. Some people asked for it because of the large lot residential and more 101 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 suburban nautre of the area. There were some other requests because it was next to the city of Liberty Lake and they felt more tied to the City of Liberty Lake than Spokane Valley. The acreage is 322 acres, population 348. 140 dwelling units, and 18 million in assessed value. Area nine is north of that, and is an area that was requested to be excluded from Spokane Valley City, because there is some developments under way, which include part of Liberty Lake, that area that is undeveloped or unattached to a city. And then inside the area number nine, it has 348 acres, the population is 302, and 121 dwelling units. Assessed value is 13 million dollars. The tenth area is the Otis Orchards area, and this has acreage of 1027, 3.5 percent of the proposed city. Population is 1150, about 1.4 percent of the population. 460 dwelling units with assessed value of 45 million dollars, or 1 percent of the incorporation area. The 11th area is Northwood, and this is Fire District 9, and that is why it was excluded. The proponents originally had included it, then excluded it. 582 acres, or two percent of the total area. Population 1646 and 658 dwelling units. The assessed, 27 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 value is 136 million, or three percent of the total incorporation area. Those are the modification areas and these areas, the Board can chose to get more information for the next hearing and people tonight might be providing testimony on. Do you have any questions about this part of the presentation? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Lots of people cannot hear. I am having a difficult time as well. We have proponents of the proposed incorporation of the city of Spokane Valley, there are two that would like to speak in reference to that. Dr. Phil Rudy and Ed Mertens, and we'll call on Dr. Philip Rudy first, please. DR. RUDY: Honorable members of the Board, Boundary Review Board, ladies and gentleman, my name is Philip L. Rudy. I am the chair of the governance committee of the Spokane Valley Chanber of Commerce. It is a honor to speak to you folks this evening. About four years ago after the incorporation effort at that time was completed, the Chamber of Commerce phoned the governance committee to study the various forms of government available to the m BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 people of Spokane Valley. After studying the forms that Susan talked about earlier, the governance committee came to the conclusion that incorporation would allow the people of the Spokane Valley to represent themselves, and to maintain the quality of life and type of life style that they would like to have, so the governance committee, along with the Community Action Committee, which Ed Mertens is the chairman, and Spokane Valley Business Association, of which many members are here this evening, formed a coalition, and the process to begin the incorporation of Spokane Valley was done by filing an intent to incorporate. We were interested in local control and bringing the elected officials closer to the people that they represent, 82,150 people within the Spokane Valley. The initial area chosen for the City of Spokane Valley was all of that area designated by the County Commissioners as an interim urban growth area lying east of the city limits of Spokane and west of the proposed City of Liberty Lake. You folks had a hearing out at the fire training center on Sullivan, and at that meeting the fire chiefs from District 8 and Fire 9 both requested that their areas be excluded from the proposed city of O BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2E Spokane Valley. Proponents got together, and when the final drawing was made up, those requests were honored and Fire District 8 and 9 Fire District 9 were excluded. The reasons being that we honored the fire chiefs requests, because those people needed to have elected representation to negotiate with them if and when they may be annexed to the new City of Spokane Valley, and that is the reason why we are proposing the incorporation of Spokane Valley because we would like to have representation that is local and local control. With regards to the areas that are east of the boundaries of the City of Spokane, we would strongly recommend that you continue to include the Yardley area and the Alcott area of which would be serviced by Fire District No. 1 to continue that within the proposed City of Spokane Valley. Reasons being for that is we have many water purveyors in the Spokane Valley. I didn't have time to count up, but there is 20 plus or minus a few water purveyors, and in the Spokane Valley, the people like to have local control, and many of those water boards operate very effectively, with the water boards that they have because they are closest to the people. With regards to the Spokane City providing water to the Alcott and Yardley areas, they would act 30 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just as the other water districts to do in the Spokane Valley providing water for those areas. With regards to sewer, we presently are getting all our sewer from the Spokane County, which when the Spokane Valley becomes a city, it would probably continue to contract with Spokane County Sewer District and the areas of Yardley and Alcott could also continue to contract with the City of Spokane, or it could be that negotiations could be made that some of those things could be changed as the proposed water treatment facility may be near Upriver Dam and some of the flows and directions may be considered to be more adequate in different directions. The job that you have before you is very large, and we wish you well in making those decisions. The proponents have tried to work within the guidelines that are the objectives of the Boundary Review Board, and we have tried to do the best we can around those lines. As indicated that I need to also outside of the it. My busine proposed city, Mr. Stone made some exceptions and he was impartial in making his decision, bring to your attention that I live boundary so I can't vote for or against ss is within the boundaries of the and it is my interest to keep my 31 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 2C 21 22 2? 29 2` patients who live within proximity of my business very healthy so that they can enjoy the quality of life and services that I provide; in other words, I like to have the government as efficient as possible for them to enjoy the services that many of us provide. My wife is happy that I am outside the boundary because she tells me that the only things she will let me run for is the Canadian border. I like it here in the Spokane Valley. I thank you for the privilege of speaking. Do you have any questions? CHAIRMAN: Questions? (No response). CHAIRMEN: Mr. Mertens. MR. MERTENS: Good evening. I am sure glad to be here, and I want to thank you gentlemen for serving on the Boundary Review Board and for the effort that Susan and Mike and Pete have put out, because my patience gets worn thin once in awhile. But I was born and raised in Spokane Valley and I am 72 years old, so I have a real interest in wanting to see you gentlemen come up with the right answer on this proposal to incorporate. I signed the petition to incorporate. I went out and got the signatures and we had 6600 32 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 signatures on our petition to send to the County and they stopped counting at 4400 and so we brought with us the voice of some people that say as we do, we certainly feel it is time for us to incorporate this Valley. Larry did a very fine job of taking us from the time of the first meeting to this date, and I want to reiterate that we definitely feel that we want to support the efforts of Fire District 8 and 9. As I understand it is under statute that RCWs that they would lose their money of that particular area if they are included, and we made that concession with those fire chiefs so that they could annex in later and then that money stays in their fire district. I think that is a very important fact to consider in those particular areas. When you get down to Yardley, in talking to some of the people that live there and such as that, the map that Susan and Mike have put together make that a beautiful city that can really operate in the way we need to. Now, we've done our homework since that first hearing, we have 13 successful cities on the west side that have proven that people need their right to their destiny, to give themselves more in life, and 33 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 every one of them have done that. We have had those experts here to Spokane and they have had several forums where they gave a green light to everything we show here to you tonight. I hope that everyone here -- and I want to thank the people that are showing up here too, I think I have been educated ion what our process is and you gentlemen are certainly part of it. I didn't really know what the Boundary Review Board did until I came to your first meeting. I've heard of it and I do know that growth management has been around for eight years, I've been to many of those hearings and I think it will be finalized on the 16th. I would like to ask you one sincere thing, please do everything you can so we can get it on the ballot in November I think that's key right now. It is already close to two years that we made the intent to incorporate and I still have patience. I know that time will tell, but I want to ask your sincere effort to do everything you possibly can to approve what we have shown here tonight. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Do Board members have any questions of Mr. Mertens? 34 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (No response). CHAIRMAN: We'll adjourn for five minutes, and at that time we will hear testimony from those who signed the roster, and so we'll take a five - minute recess at this time. (Recess taken.) CHAIRMAN: We will now hear testimony from those who have signed the roster. We would like you to remember to keep your comments to three minutes each in order to hear from each person on the list. I would also like to mention that your comments are to be directed to the Board because it is the Board who you are addressing, not the audience. I would also ask that the members of the audience that we not have any cheering or booing. I'm sure there might be some here of varying opinions, and it is your opinion that you are stating to the Board, and we are the ones who would like to hear that opinion. We are going to first hear from representatives of the affected agencies. Mr. John Mercer will be the first, and we would like for you to state your name, your address, and whom you represent. MR. MERCER: Good evening Boundary Review 35 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Board members, Mr. Nebergall, Susan, Pete. Thank you very much for the opportunity to provide testimony. My name is John Mercer, and I am planning director for the City of Spokane and I have a letter to read into the record, and I have provided you with a copy of the letter. It's from the mayor of the City of Spokane, dated today, August 8. "The City of Spokane again requests the boundaries for proposed City of Spokane Valley be modified pursuant to RCW 36.93. To exclude the City of Spokane's Urban Growth Area. Attached is a map that shows the Yardley and Alcott areas requested for exclusion. Spokane County Board of County Commissioner's designated both Yardley and Alcott as interim Urban Growth Areas associated with the City of Spokane in February of 1997. "On September 11, 2000, city manager, Hank Miggins, sent you a letter requesting the exclusion of the areas of Yardley and Alcott from the boundaries of the proposed City of Spokane Valley. At that time, the City of Spokane was still in the lengthy process of completing work on its Growth Management Act compliant Comprehensive Plan. That process which began in 1995, included assessments of growth capacity, capital facility and service requirements, urban services 36 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 currently provided by the City, and existing interlocal agreements. The City of Spokane's Adoption of the new Comprehensive Plan also confirmed the Yardley and Alcott areas as part of the City's proposed Final Urban Growth Area lying adjacent to the City's current municipal boundaries. The exclusion of these two areas from the proposed boundaries of the City of Spokane Valley would be consistent with the factors to be considered by the Boundary Review Board pursuant to RCW 36.93.170. These are both areas recognized through actions of the City of Spokane and the Spokane County Board of County Commissioners as Urban Growth Areas associated with the City of Spokane. The actions of both the City of Spokane and Spokane County were done pursuant to the Growth Management Act, RCW 36.70A, and the County -wide Planning Policies for Spokane County. Both areas are adjacent to the corporate boundaries of the City of Spokane and are addressed in the City's Comprehensive Plan adopted pursuant to the Growth Management Act. Also, the City of Spokane provides municipal services to both of these areas in the form of both water and sewer pursuant to the Spokane County Coordinated Water System Plan and the Spokane County Coordinated Wastewater Management Plan. 37 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Additionally, on October 26, 1998, the City of Spokane and Spokane Valley Fire District 1 entered into an interlocal agreement pursuant to the provisions of the Growth Management Act and RCW 39.34. That agreement contains the procedures for addressing impacts to Fire District 1 in the event of annexation by the City of Spokane. That document also contains agreement for joint planning of location selection, design and construction of statuion facilities, as well as operational planning of services to these areas covering mutual responses, training, and possible joint station use. The exclusion of the Yardley and Alcott areas from the proposed boundaries of the City of Spokane Valley would also be consistent with the objectives of the Boundary Review Board found in RCW 36.93.180. In particular, this would achieve the preservation of logical service areas that are already in place for water and sewer. In closing, we ask that you consider all of our efforts in complying with the Growth Management Act and the County -Wide Planning Policies, as well as the substantial investment by the City of Spokane in infrastructure to serve these areas. Please remove the Yardley and Alcott areas from the boundaries of the M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 proposed City of Spokane Valley. Respectfully, John T. Powers, Jr., Mayor of the City of Spokane. Do you have any questions? CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response.) CHAIRMAN: Thank you, very much. Next speaker will be Mr. Mark Grover, please. MR. GROVER: Members of the Board and ladies and gentlemen, my name is Mark Grover, I am Fire Chief for Spokane County Fire Department, also known as Spokane County Fire District 1. I am going to do an introduction and let Larry Rider take over to complete our talk. Our department has been in existence for nearly 60 years providing fire, emergency medical, fire prevention, and rescue service for the needs of our citizens. CHAIRMAN: Can you get a little closer to the mike. MR. GROVER: Our agency is in existence to provide those services for our citizens. Our presence here tonight is to convey to the Board our opposition to any boundary changes that would 39 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 negatively effect our ability to deliver emergency services to our citizens, and we believe excluding both areas one and two from the city of Spokane Valley would negatively effect the services to citizens within those areas and the remainder of the fire district. And I would like to applaud the efforts of the proponents for the incorporation of the city of Spokane Valley for the hard work that they have shown in moving this proposal forward. And as a fire department, we watched with some nervousness other incorporation attempts that were brought to a vote, and our concerns were with any changes that would negatively effect our ability to deliver services to the citizens. I would like to thank the proponents for including the boundaries of Fire District 1 as those for the city, proposed city, and at this time I would like to turn the microphone over to Larry Rider to let him talk about our concerns, particularly dealing with the Yardley and Alcott areas. MR. RIDER: Good evening, Board members. Maybe I can make this mike a little longer. I am a little taller, how's that for everybody. Do the Board members have a copy of that map? They are headed your way. Sorry about the fact 40 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that I can't present this, but this is a map of some of our station locations, and I am going to talk about the affects of changing of jurisdictional boundaries within the incorporation. I know the Board members have been inundated with data over the period of time with this, and I have provided an outline of what I will speak about for you, and the map to try to talk about something a little bit different, a different scope. My purpose here is to convince you to leave Yardley and as many of the boundaries within Spokane Fire District 1 alone. And I am going to try to explain that to you in a way that has to do with our service delivery systems. we have been in existence since 1942, and it was nice to hear John talk about the fact that the city was putting in water and sewer lines in 1997. And we've been planning for the provision of emergency services since 1942, so we are way ahead of the city in the necessary need for long range planning. And I'm going to try to do that by showing you on the map where the fire station locations are, and currently within the red zone there on your map, we have a fire station number 6 and fire station number 2. That diamond represents a mile and a half of distance 41 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 from that location. And that is established through the Washington survey and rating bureau, and has to do with fire flow requirements to put out fires, and it also has to do with the fact that a mile and a half response and is around a three - minute response time if you are in with some other factors figured in, to get into life safety of BLS and ALS provision of services to the citizens. So the distances from stations and the long range planning necessary to obtain those locations, watch the transportation routes to provide those services is huge. It is what makes the fire service work. The problem with taking the Yardley area out is this for us; if you look at the white line on the map, that is basically the boundaries of Yardley area. You are going to put my fire station on the boundary, I'll be within 100 yards of the City of Spokane, and yet I will not cross that boundary to provide services because there is a difference in a taxing authority and who pays for what. So the concern of ours is when you look at the City of Spokane, which is the black diamonds, they have three stations within those service areas. They have Station 8 by the community college, Station 7 42 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R.. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 down around Napa, and Station 14, which is up on Thor. If you look at that and you look at those diamonds how the red ones cover the Yardley area and how they intersect with each other, that is 59 years of planning between the City of Spokane's government and their fire service people and the citizens of the Valley and their fire service provider. With the stroke of a pen you can change 59 years of planning and put my fire Station 6 on the border and put all of the fire stations for the city of Spokane out of range to provide services. And I'm not speaking to water and sewer, I am talking about people. We had around almost 600 runs in that area in 2000. So this isn't about sales tax revenue, this is about the ability of the fire service people and EMS to provide efficient and effective services. On page 2 of my information there, I have tried to map out the distances for you on where those fire stations are located to certain streets, which were on current borders and the proposed borders. It is a little confusing, but on the bottom six lines there look at my Station 2 on the existing boundary, is 2 /10ths of a mile closer than the nearest city station. Predominantly across all of the area you are talking about, except for one area where the City of 43 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Spokane's station 14, can provide an ALS unit faster, the Valley fire department is significantly faster. When you look at my station 6, it was purchased, built established and put there to provide services to Yardley. If you take Yardley out of the incorporation boundaries and the incorporation happens, it will be annexed eventually to the City of Spokane. We had this same discussion with the City. Like John explained in his document to you, and it happened to be Pete Fortin that I got to give this exact same , information to in a dark smoky room, you know how City government works -- that is a joke -- and I was basically able to convince him that annexing Yardley by the City of Spokane was a bad idea. It isn't bad to collect water and sewer rates and taxes, it isn't a bad idea for the City of Spokane to collect sales tax revenue, but it was bad, and not a logical idea to try to provide emergency services to the businesses and people that live there. So I know that I'm speaking to a different context that is in this area, but the fact of the matter is that the Boundary Review Board needs to be very cognizant of the fact that when we rewrite these boundaries, the fire chiefs and the fire service people that come before you are speaking about people, we are BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 speaking about long range service planning. It takes years years to procure property, be on the right transportation routes, and not overbuild or underbuild, and appropriate revenue streams to generate those services. And if the incorporation happens with this area out, we will have to respond over a mile right down the City of Spokane's border to get to a service area that is outside of the city's area that they want to annex, to provide services. And in our discussions with the City at that time, the answer was to have very long range planning where we didn't chop up and piecemeal these types of service areas, and if they wanted Yardley, they needed to be able to put a station someplace in there or take ours over to be able to provide the same services. What we will have with this proposal if you take Yardley out, specifically, is that the taxes on the rest of the Valley citizens would have to go up to maintain the same level of service because we will not be able to exclude our station 6 because we still have to have it there for the citizens that have purchased, paid for, and supplied the infastructure for almost 60 years to have that station service them. 45 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So all those people south of Sprague, I still have to service, and the City of Spokane will have the 60 years of planning where they do not have a station in that area, and with their closest station, station 8, their closest route of travel is down Havana, which is a private road that goes across six tracks of the Burlington Northern, and it is closed all the time. They have big service delivery problems. And I can tell you that if they anticipated the Yardley annexation 59 years ago, they would have a station someplace in that area able to serve them. Station 7, if you look at the map of Spokane, and station 6, both essentially on Sprague Avenue, were both built in 1941. Forty years ago the mayor and fire chief of the City of Spokane said build a station to serve to Havana, and fire chief and the citizens of the Valley said build a station to serve the area to Havana. If you change that boundary now, we are in trouble. And we may be able to mitigate the circumstances based on it with the City of Spokane on joint planning and everything else, but no matter how you slice it, the service delivery system from the fire service is in trouble in Yardley for the rest C� BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of my district it is now going to be served by station 6 but revenue is not there to support it, and the City is going to have to increase something in their tax structure to pay for a station to deliver services. Not only that, the citizens in the Valley and the Yardley area have paid for the infastructure that now exists. If you annex that into the City of Spokane when you pick these boundaries, those people are going to pick up the cost of the improving or sustaining the infastructure of the City of Spokane. T just passed a 21 million dollar bond issue to fix their fire department, buy apparatus, facilities and equipment. They are going to have to pay those taxes to support an infrastructure where their service level just went down. Their service will be slower and their costs will be higher if you take Yardley and put it into the City of Spokane. So with all of those facts, it seems difficult, but if you leave the Yardley area in the incorporation boundaries and the incorporation is successful, the fire service delivery system will be the same one way or the other; whether they annex into the fire department or if they form their own. If you leave it out like a plum on a tree hanging there and the incorporation happens, John Mercer and the fire 47 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 chief of the city and us, we are going to have to do some real short -term planning that should have been done over about 60 years. So with that, I specifically ask you to leave the Yardley and Alcott areas within my fire protection district alone. I would also ask if you take that same logic that exists with this piece of ground specifically, and apply that logic to all the other areas that you are looking at that are within the fire district boundaries and outside in Fire District 8 and 9, many of those same principles apply. So I have only brought to you tonight Yardley and specifics, but those principles apply also between Fire District 8 and myself and Fire District 9 and myself. We understand that all the little areas that are out of the UGAs are going to have to come out of this incorporation effort, and we think because of the way that the new city will have to provide fire protection, that's just how it is going to have to work. But when we are dealing with Yardley and Alcott with the City of Spokane fire service and District 8 and District 9 fire service, we ask you to leave the boundaries alone because there are long reaching affects that I don't believe with some of the things being requested are getting enough consideration. M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 When we talk about sewer and water and waivers, okay, but the next time you are in your car and you want a fire truck to come to your car wreck or someone that you know is in trouble, hold your breath and think about the two more minutes it is going to take the City of Spokane to get to your location because you drew a line on the map. That's a fact. These jurisdictions have problems crossing borders, there is taxing authorities, please be careful. We would ask you to leave Yardley in the incorporation boundaries because of those reasons, and Alcott, and try as much as you can to maintain the integrity of the District 1's boundaries. And that is all I have to say. MR. STONE: I'm seeing in the middle square here, fire station number 6 -- am I reading that correctly? MR. RIDER: MR. STONE: MR. RIDER: MR. STONE: updated or is it state situation is it? Correct. When was that built? 1941. And is it scheduled to be of the art or what kind of a MR. RIDER: No, it was built in 1941. If the only house you lived in that was built in 1941 no BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would be -- all your facilities are always maintained in one way or another. We would love to have it redone, you bet, but the fact is it is very difficult to move fire stations because the location is why it is there. When you talk about real estate, it's location, location, location. That is the fire service, they actually have to be in the right location. The long term planning that happens in the fire service -- the new couplet, you may have read about it in the paper, they changed the way traffic moved, and that affected us to about a minute and a half in one direction from a station that exists. Well, when you are talking about million dollar facilities, we have to make plans, and we are doing that right now to try to mitigate that affect when the County changed the road systems. The same is thing happening at Station 6. But the biggest problem is we can't move that station very far to the east because we still have to go to Havana Road going west. And what happens is if you take out the tax base, the 139 million dollars in tax base which generates around $400,000 in revenue, we have to make that up and yet we can't get rid of the station. It really disrupts the long -term planning of 50 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the fire service. MR. STONE: Just to give me a perspective, how does the age of 6 compare with number 1 and number 2? MR. RIDER: Our station No. 2 was built in 1960. MR. STONE: And No. 1. MR. RIDER: No. 1? Well, from the distance it is at, that was rebuilt in about 1976. The City recently located its station 8 and has closed some stations. I didn't take you guys into the survey and rating bureau based on the rating systems, and that also has to do with the mile and a half diamonds. We are currently a four in the survey and rating which effects your fire insurance and the City is a three. But the city also went from a two to three when they were rerated, and we are hoping to go from a four to a three. And that has to do with our long range planning as well. It has an affect on where we place stations. They have to be within a mile and a half of a 2000 GPM fire flow, or more than five buildings five stories tall, so we have all these lists of things we try to support. The City will take a hit on Yardley because they are not close enough. I really believe 51 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 lE li lE 1S 2C 21 2, 2; 2e 21 that fire service in the City, if they take Yardley, will have to mitigate problems they are going to have with response time and distance and fire flows. MR. STONE: You mentioned planning and the city's lack of planning and -- MR. RIDER: I hope I didn't say they had bad planning. MR. STONE: I thought you said bad planning for Yardley, or did I misunderstand you? MR. RIDER: No. What I am trying to show with this map MR. STONE: I understand you to say that the City of Spokane has not planned well for Yardley for 59 years, is that a misunderstanding? MR. RIDER: The perspective the City and Valley have planned for the boundaries that exist, but if they really wanted to take Yardley in, we have not planned for that and neither has the City. MR. STONE: My question is, where should the City of Spokane put a station if they had planned for it? MR. RIDER: Well, if you look at the station 14, 7, and 8, the City will have to probably -- well, if I was going to do it with the City of Spokane, and I would have to do some relocation probably of two 52 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of those stations, but at a million dollars a pop, that is a lot of money. And they have a bigger problem, they have a finger of land that goes out there in Yardley and they have very limited access. You can come down Trent to Fancher, but Havana is usually closed at the BN tracks, that is a private road so I've been told, and they have a difficult delivery system. What the City wants is my fire station 6, that is where I would put a fire station. See, that is what I am trying to say is that -- MR. STONE: I simply asked where they should have put it if they planned it. Mr. Board Chairman and planner,.I think it would be important, at least by the time of our next meeting, our next continuation of the public hearing, that we have a letter from the City of Spokane, or testimony from the City of Spokane on the short, medium, and long -term plans by the City of Spokane should this not be a part of the City of Spokane Valley and should it be a part of the City of Spokane, so I think we need that information. That is all my questions. MR. TURBEVILLE: I just have a quick question about the way the information is presented on 53 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 your map. Is the use of one and a half mile response area, is the use of diamonds a survey as rating bureau convention or was that done locally? THE WITNESS: No, it is done in lieu of a circle, because what you are really trying to accomplish is a mile and a half of driving distance. So when you use a diamond in this way, you can drive a mile left or right from your location, and it will take you down north or south a half mile. So predominantly when you are just trying to project these over maps, not withstanding significant things like rivers, railroads and other things, the diamond tends to be very easy way to project your mile and a half travel distance. MR. TURBEVILLE: I just wanted to be sure that if this map had been designed with the use of the more conventional circles, you would have come up with a different map. MR. RIDER: That is why in the fire service we use diamonds. MR. HAGNEY: Are we to understand that through the interlocal agreement of October 26, 1998, there is already a process in place by which some of the issues that you've raised could be negotiated? MR. RIDER: Yes, the examples.exist. The 54 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 agreement basically states that two years notice that they want date we do not have, that we wi mitigating those factors, those with in a lot of ways; the city to provide fire protection from exist. when the City gives us to annex, which to this 11 start negotiations on factors could be dealt could contract with us the location that we But when you start talking about contracting out, bargaining, working with unions, you have a lot of big problems, and we don't have the answers to those types of questions yet. And for us, it would be just a lot simpler if Yardley stayed out of the City of Spokane. MR. HAGNEY: But by entering into this agreement, implicit is that these problems could be negotiated? MR. RIDER: I would say that entering into this agreement was a requirement underneath the Growth Management Act for the City to deal with us, and we did that as best we could. If we ever get down to the bargaining table to try to mitigate the consequences of the City annexing this area, I tell you that what we will be asking for is not to have any loss of revenue, and hence disrupting our service ability to the area south of Sprague that are not going into the city. 55 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 In those discussions we tried to look at a much more global view of this type of situation, and the problem was with the City, now with the UGA being defined and this being part of the City and the City's plan to grow, that global view becomes much more difficult. If the City and Valley were one, we would maintain station 6 as a City fire station and those boundaries, nothing would move. But because we can't do that, we talked a lot about trying to take those areas -- the other areas, go clear to Park Road but they are not capable of going there, so we have not dealt with those kinds of problems. What happens is we are looking at these little pieces of it that have these far reaching affects, and I really don't know where we would be. We took a very hard stance with Mr. Fortin when we met, and we are going to fight diligently to protect the ability to provide services to the citizens of the Valley. MR. HAGNEY: Thank you. CHAIRMAN: You mentioned 600 runs, does that pertain to the area of Yardley or to that service area, station 6? MR. RIDER: Just Yardley. 56 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 2000. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIRMAN: Six hundred runs in the year MR. RIDER: Just in the area of Yardley. I didn't even include Alcott. I was just trying to focus on one thing, and bring principles to the Board to try to apply to other areas. But in this particular, I think I wrote it down in here, 518 responses to the area of Yardley, and that's north of the tracks to the freeway and west of Elizabeth. CHAIRMAN: Any other questions? (No Response). CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Chief. This concludes the testimony of the people testifying for the effective agencies. Now we will be hearing from you citizens who are going to be voting, and we asked you when you signed the roster to designate on the map. Those of you in leaving might see that the markers back there from where we are sitting, a fair representation of the area that is presented by the proponents. We are asking you, we have some 20 people that would like to testify, and we would like to get all that testimony in this evening; it's 8:35 and we want to move right along, and we are going to give you a three - minute time. 57 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 But to make a long story short, this new Valley couplet, and I would imagine people have been watching this thing, I've gone from University City, which is the first phase down to Fancher, and there are 26, and I have pictures of them, 26 vacant buildings since the new couplet has come about. I have talked to some of the County Commissioners and asked the County engineer, I said, Ross, what have you given any consideration to the economic impact it has caused on our county, even if the new city comes on board we W. BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 I am going to ask Mr. Jack Riley to come first, and I would like standing behind him Mr. Loyd Peterson so we can move right along. Mr. Riley, Mr. Peterson. Mr. Riley. State where you are from. MR. RILEY: My name is Jack Riley, I am part owner in the Plantation Restaurant on Vista and Sprague. I've been in the automobile business in Spokane for 37 years, and watched transportation -- I was born and raised in this Valley and have been here 62 years. I have watched this Valley grow from apple trees from Dishman area clear out to Greenacres, and from what I understand, our County Commissioners are now proposing putting pear trees in place of apple trees. But to make a long story short, this new Valley couplet, and I would imagine people have been watching this thing, I've gone from University City, which is the first phase down to Fancher, and there are 26, and I have pictures of them, 26 vacant buildings since the new couplet has come about. I have talked to some of the County Commissioners and asked the County engineer, I said, Ross, what have you given any consideration to the economic impact it has caused on our county, even if the new city comes on board we W. BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are going to have to face this and it is getting worse every day. The people, the property owners that own these properties and the business owners, the renters, are forced to close their doors, and it affects everyone from the people that own the businesses right down to the work force, because if people can't run their business, the work force suffers right along with them. The property owners, if they can't rent their buildings, and I've asked people about this, I said what happens if we can't pay our taxes, what happens if we can't rent our buildings out, the County will confiscate our buildings, sell them at auction or we are forced to tear the buildings down. Our restaurant, I just had a lessee close because they couldn't handle the construction that is going on right now, and the one -way. We have lost 60 percent of our traffic off of Sprague Avenue. I would like to advise people of what the economic impact is. If we are forced to tear our building down, where is the tax base coming from. Two - thirds of our tax base is on the building and one -third is on the property. I would like the people of the new and 59 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 proposed city can hopefully get this turned around. From what I understand, it is going clear out to Greenacres, and we are in the first phase of it now. I respectfully ask your consideration on what is going to be done. Thank you, that is all I have to say. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Riley. Mr. Peterson, please. MR. PETERSON: I am Loyd Peterson. I live in your area 10 out on the eastern boundary of the new proposed city. I would ask respectfully that you do not exclude that area. There are approximately 1000 homes in that area, and those homes need to be in the new city. If you go immediately to the east of that area, you will find that you have a bunch of agricultural land and quite an area that lays between the homes that I am talking about and the beginnings of the homes that are out in the Otis Orchards area. We are a part of the area to the west, not a part of the area to the east. Even though our address is Otis Orchards, we are still closer to Greenacres and the rest of the city than we are to the F3 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 actual area of Otis Orchards. Now, I am a retired real estate appraiser, I did that for about 40 -some odd years, and I can tell you that there is a lot of assessed value out there in those 1000 homes, that it is proposed that they might exclude. It's a big piece of revenue, tax revenue for the new city. And we would very much like to be in the new city. So please do not exclude area 10. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Margaret DeCroff Milsap. We would like you to state your address, please. MS. MILSAP: Margaret DeCroff Milsap, 1426 North Bowdish, Opportunity. I have lived there since 1952, and I have been working for incorporation before I ever knew what the word meant, and I would like the Valley incorporated before I die. And actually, all my lifetime I've been out here one way or another. My grandparents lived in the Valley and I had an aunt and uncle that lived in Mica Peak. I have bicycled it, walked it, everything else. I was fortunate enough to be part of the -- first of all Larry was a baby, our neighbor. I have j" BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 been to Europe, I am a photographer, studying education and government of 16 countries. I've seen and been under communism and socialism, and this is the Valley. I was born in Spokane, I have nothing much to do with that city is what I am saying. But tax without representation is tyranny. I want to know where my money goes. And I am getting awfully tired of hearing about the potholes of Spokane and I could go on and on and on, but I love the Valley and I just want to incorporate, please. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Mr. Chairman, I waive my spot. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Mr. Donahue, followed by Tony Lazanis. MR. DONAHUE: My name is Mike Donahue, and I live at 18809 E. Fairview Court, Otis Orchards. And to follow up on what Mike Peterson just said about leaving that boundary east of Barker Road where there are so many homes with good valuations and so forth, please leave that area in the area. One more thing I would like to say with regards to the fire district, I'm certain that over the Z BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 years that the City of Spokane has recovered their cost of whatever they did, whatever good they did for the Yardley area. Please leave the Yardley area alone. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lazanis, is that correct, sir? MR. LAZANIS: Yes. I am Tony Lazanis. Members of the Boundary Review Board, I am a Valley resident for many years. I want to say a couple of words. I've been involved for a long time in the community, and I believe that the things that I've been involved with have always benefited many. He mentioned the flow control, the City, Mr. John Mercer mentioned the flow control, and if you look at flow control, you've got the Sullivan over there, transfer station under the City's flow control, Colbert landfill under flow control. The City of Spokane spends 17 million dollars to sewer the incinerator, the airport, spent a lot of money under not a flow control along the way. So if they going to use that as an excuse for Yardley, I think it won't hold water. I think they get things like that 63 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 big revenue, but when they cannot allow them to take a base there, that the Valley station does a wonderful job in service to Yardley for many years, and I think we need that area in order to service the Valley, to I guess that is all I have to say: CHAIRMAN: Your address? MR. LAZANIS: 10625 East Trent, Spokane. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions. (No response). CHAIRMAN: Next we will hear from Harold Kellams to be followed by Annette Remshard. MR. KELLAMS: Good evening. My name is Harold Kellams. I live at South 1424 Eastern, Spokane. If you look at the map on the southwest corner there, I live kind of in the little lip on the bottom, so I haven't really been involved too much in the incorporation of the Valley. My main, just intention, has been trying to stop annexation of parts of the Valley by the City. I work for the Spokane Valley Fire Department. I have been there for 23 years. I've dedicated most of my life to trying to serve the people that, live in the Valley. I have to, in defense of the BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 people that I work with, we are extremely dedicated to provide the best service absolutely possible. We are very dedicated people, and planning is a very big part of that. That fire station that you were talking about, station 6, I drove at that station for 12 years. It was built in 1941, and it's a great station and still is. It's not a bad station, it's not a bad building, it doesn't have to be torn down. It is serviceable for a long time. I drove those streets providing fire service and emergency medical service for 12 years. Nighttime, daytime, winter time, icy, hot, you name it. Those boundaries are critical for that area. Burlington Northern disects Havana at the northern part, there is a lot of traffic flow patterns that are laid out ideally for the station locations as to where they are at. If you start changing that, it really puts a bind on services that is provided. I'm not a chief officer, I am not privy to a lot of information, I am the guy that drives the truck to get to a need. And I can tell you that the location of that station works very well for that area. I've been fighting annexation for a long I live south of that station, and I've seen a 65 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lot of different plans that the City wanted to annex. One of the best ones from their point of view for taxation revenue, has been a block south of Sprague and then a block north. It gives them all of the commercial area, and they really wanted that for a long time. The big problem with that, and I've been handing out flyers for that that I paid for, and I got a lot of my friends to show up to go to City Council meetings to try to change their thinking. It would have made the closest truck that would respond to my area, Station 1, which is the center station in the Valley, east of Station 2 and Station 6, which would have been about a six and a half minute response to my house. I have six children that live in the Valley, and I am very concerned with their safety. All of the people that are south of that station, if that would be annexed, could be in jeopardy of much inferior service. I would really hope that you would take a very hard look at the services that are provided, and people of the Valley, I think really identify quite often with the Valley Fire Department. It is a very close community throughout the.whole Valley and I stand 37 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in support of the idea of a city. Thank you, very much. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: The next speaker is Annette Remshard to be followed by Scott McClay. MS. REMSHARD: Thank you for the opportunity to express my view on this important issue. I have worn many professional hats in my relatively short life, and one of those hats I was a critical care nurse. And I also was a disaster services supervisor for the Red Cross, and I responded with the firemen. And there is nothing worse than being delayed in a response to an emergency. Being the responder, being the person waiting for help, or being the person in that hospital receiving the person if they would have been reached 30 seconds more would have survived. Peop there, well, the its limits. And Fire District No admirable job of community we are le think a second here or a second human body is resilient, but it has I am asking you to please maintain 1 and its boundaries, they do an serving us. We couldn't be the without them. 67 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I live at 1705 N. Macmillan Lane. I live in the Riverwalk subdivision, Greenacres. We are one of the areas that you are considering to exclude from the new city. Well, we identify with Spokane Valley. The whole area within Fire District No. 1 is a community. Now, nobody can say that the County has not provided for this area, because they have. They have done pretty well as far as the County can go, but a county has never been intended to take care of city problems. The people out of 82,135 citizens, I have every confidence that we will be able to get responsible people to represent themselves and our neighbors to the satisfaction of the citizens of this area. The fact is that County Commissioners have to consider people in Mead when they study issues in the Valley. Now, that is fair for the County, but it's not fair for the Valley. There is a lot of issues that would have been decided differently if it would have been decided by a City Council responsible to their neighbors. I thank you for this time, and I ask you to please consider the testimonies that have been given here today. Thank you. M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Scott McClay, followed by Tom Herman. MR. McCLAY: I think Danette had me sign the wrong list and I didn't raise my right hand. There is three things that are important to the Valley that make up the integrity of -- CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, you didn't sign the list? MR. McCLAY: I did sign the list, I didn't raise my right hand. CHAIRMAN: We do need to swear you in, please. Mr. McClay having been so sworn did testify as follows: MR. McCLAY: There are three things that really make up the Spokane Valley, one is the Chamber of Commerce, the other is the Central Valley School District, and the last is Spokane Valley Fire Department. These are the three treasures of the Spokane Valley. Every leader that has come up and done anything for the Valley, any opinion that is * for the Valley, has come through those three entities. Cam] BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 As a real estate agent in the Spokane Valley, I think that is one of the biggest benefits that we have in becoming our own city is the control of our land use. We have an extremely challenging problem in Eastern Washington, and one that I don't think we share solutions that are being offered by the City or by the County, so all I could add is I think from those perspectives, that we are deserving of a new city. CHAIRMAN: May I have your address, please. MR. McCLAY: I live at 2222 South Collins Court, Spokane CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Tom Herman, followed by Cary Driskell. MR. HERMAN: Hello, my name is Tom Herman, and my address is 8703 East Maringo Drive, Spokane. I'm a resident of the Pasadena Park community, have been for 41 years. And I am going to go against the grain a little tonight, but I wanted to speak about the possibility of you excluding Pasadena Park from the proposed new city limits, and the decision criteria that are involved here are according to the back of this green sheet that I have, comprehensive plans and zoning, topography, and natural boundaries, and the preservation of the natural neighborhoods and communities. 70 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 About ten years ago, the summer of 1991, many of the citizens of Pasadena Park were involved in developing neighborhood plans with the help of the Spokane County Planning Department, and they spent two and a half years doing this. It was a long and involved process. And I think by the end of this time we came up with a pretty good comprehensive plan that a lot of the citizens of Pasadena Park were happy with. We are concerned, well, I can't speak for everybody, there are many of us that are concerned that rather than gain control of our neighborhood we might actually lose some control. The second thing that is on my mind is the fact that Pasadena Park's geographic location kind of isolates it from the rest of the proposed city, the Spokane River and the town of Millwood isolates it from the south, and Riblet's Hill area isolates it from the east. In fact, there is only two roads that actually connect Pasadena Park with the rest of the city, and one directly, that would be Upriver Drive, and the other would be Argonne, which has to go through the town of Millwood. Speaking for myself, I actually have much closer, or feel more closely tied to Millwood than I do for example Opportunity, Veradale, or any of the 71 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 communites that are inside the new proposed city. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Driskell. MR. DRISKELL: My name is Cary Driskell, this is my daughter Piper has accompanied me. My business address is 12704 East Nora. I'm here today on behalf of Bernard Daines. I am a land use attorney practicing in the Valley. I wanted to make a couple of generic statements about the proposed annexation. The Valley City boundary is by definition under the Growth Management Act, an urban area. It has been designated urban by the Board of County Commissioners for Spokane County. That final urban growth area is undergoing some minor modifications, and we certainly expect that to be finished any time now. The Growth Management Act anticipates urban areas should be either incorporated or annexed by existing cities, and that is exactly what we are hoping will happen here. I am also involved with the Chamber of Commerce, the Valley Chamber in pushing this issue. In terms of feasibility study done by Mr. Fortin, it shows 72 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that the proposed boundaries and revenue generated within those boundaries and expenses, essentially this would pencil out, keeping in mind that Mr. Fortin said the expenses, that the expenses that he estimated were on the high side and the revenue he estimated was on the low side, just a nice conservative approach. So from that aspect, there is no financial reason not to do this. There has been a lot of discussion tonight on some factual reasons why the Yardley and Alcott areas should not be excluded from the proposed boundary. I don't know any of the factual issues, but I am going to present you with some pretty compelling legal argument that the City of Spokane has no authority to claim those areas in it urban growth study area. The Growth Management Act requires counties and cities inside of it to plan under the Act, there is no place in that Act that states that a city has any authority to plan outside of its corporate boundaries. What is anticipated by the Act is that cities will plan within their boundaries, and if there is additional population allocation that cities cannot handle, that will be allocated in urban growth area outside of those corporate boundaries. 73 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 What the City is proposing to do with its urban growth study area, which by the way has not been adopted by the Board of County Commissioners, that is subject to vote, I believe, on the 16th, so that is not a compelling reason to do that. But what the City proposal would do would result in the City having planning authority over those areas that are in the County and those residents would have no electoral recourse over the people making the decisions. I assert very firmly that is an unlawful delegation of power, and I would feel very strongly also that there would be a number of people that would challenge that. I requested in writing on behalf of Mr. Daines to include additional property within the final boundaries, the final urban growth area proposal goes farther south on Highway 27 than the current city. Mr. Daines has 80 acres of property beginning of what would be 42nd Avenue down to about 46th Avenue. This boundary split his property and he would like to have either all of his property included or taken down to the final end of the final urban growth area. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Wayne Frost, followed by 74 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FROST: Hi, food evening. Wayne Frost, and I am here representing the Inland Empire Paper Company. CHAIRMAN: Your address, please. MR. FROST: The address of the company is 3324 North Argonne Road. I am not personally a resident of the boundaries of the proposed city and as a representative of the company we have no comment for or against the proposed incorporation. However, we do have comment specifically on the eastern boundary of the proposed city. Inland Empire Paper Company owns over 1000 acres that lies within the proposed incorporation limits. The mill itself is in the city of Millwood. Of that 1000 acres, approximately 250 were involved in a master planning process of 900 acres that the company is currently working. To reiterate we own 1000 acres, or a little more than 1000 acres in the proposed city, 250 of that 1000 acres were part of a master planning process of a 900 acre block. Those 900 acres, the remainder of that 900 acres either lies within the City of Liberty Lake or lies between the boundaries of the proposed city and the proposed City of Liberty Lake. 75 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We would like the Boundary Review Board to look at that eastern boundary as we have done in our master planning process, and look at the issues with regard to buffers between the two cities. It is our feeling that a good portion of our property should be probably part of the City of Liberty Lake rather than the City of Spokane Valley. We came to that conclusion based on a number of factors, transportation patterns, infrastructure, population growth, and a sense of community. I will follow up with a letter and attached drawing that shows you our ownership and specifically the areas that I am suggesting that we be excluded from the proposed city. That's all I have. CHAIRMAN: I'm a little confused. You said there is 900 acres within the proposed area but there is 250 -- MR. FROST: We have 1000 acres within this proposed city, from Pasadena Park all the way to the City of Liberty Lake boundary, and actually beyond if you consider north of the City of Liberty Lake. 250 acres of those 1000 acres were included in the master planning process of a 900 acre block. CHAIRMAN: Where does that lie? 76 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. FROST: The 900 acre block lies on the eastern part of the proposed boundary. A portion of that 900 acre block is now within the City of Liberty Lake. So about 250 acres does not lie within the City of Liberty Lake but lies within the proposed City of Spokane Valley. What I am suggesting to you is we would like that 250 acres to be included in the City of Liberty Lake eventually, rather than be included in the incorporation of Spokane Valley. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Hansen. MR. HANSEN: I am R.A. Hansen, and I am representing Hansen Industries who is the developer of the Valley Shopping Center and all the ground around it. I have no interest in the shopping center itself, that was sold to Price Company in Salt Lake, which is now called J.B. Realty. However, we developed the area so they could build the shopping center, and I've been a strong proponent of the incorporation long before there was any shopping center there. I just believe the people have the right to control their own destiny, government closer to the people is better government, smaller government is better government, and I.think they have that right. 77 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And you hear all the testimony about the borders, I don't believe there is any changes that ought to be made. The fire district, we think of the fire district as somebody that saves property, well, that is great, but their biggest function is to save lives, getting people out of the situations or getting them to the hospital or the EMTS. So when we think fire department, I think we should say it is a people department, and I don't think we ought to meddle with it. I don't think there is anything sufficient reason that I've heard to change any boundaries, and I strongly urge you to support the city with the present boundaries. Of course the Yardley area is tax rich, that is why the City wants it -- somebody said to follow the money. An industrial area, Kaiser or any of them, our shopping center, we pay a hell of a lot more taxes and don't require many services, and that is why the City wants Yardley. So.let's call a spade a spade. Thank you very much. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Richard Behm to be followed by Pete Higgins, please. MR. BEHM: My name is Richard Behm, and I live at 3626 South Ridgeview, Ponderosa. Wd BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I am a commercial property owner on East Spraguel and have two businesses on Sprague and Dishman Road. First of all, I want to say that Spokane Valley lost two very wonderful citizens in the last two days, people who spoke for the Valley, one was Rod Tedrow, fire chief for Fire District 1 who worked with us for many years, was active in all civic affairs, the other one is John Velonoff, owner of the Valley Harald and Voice of the Valley. And we all wish they were here participating in this and wish their families respect and they were both very good friends of mine. In regard been said, and I agree as the fire department to address later on to balance sheet, because part of the revenue. to Yardley, I think a lot has with what has been said as far goes. I would like Mr. Fortin what that would do to his he figured Yardley in that as In the Ponderosa I am within the boundaries of the new city. I have many friends who live south of 44th, people from church, acquaintances, including my son. Most of them would like to be in the new city that I've talked to, and some don't, but most of them do. However, when I talk to them and explain to them the reasoning for the boundary of 44th and the problems 79 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 L 3 4 c 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with the fire district boundaries and Fire District No. 8 wishing to negotiate with the legal entity like a new city, they understand why the boundary was put there, and most of them agree they would annex to the new city right away as soon as the fire district comes through. It is not hard to explain something that as to the reason why, because that is a reasonable approach. And I would very much like to be within the city. I don't think we should worry about the 44th as a legal boundary for years, Fire District 8 and Fire District 1 have mutual agreements and we feel very fortunate. Where I live, I don't know who would show up first, Fire District 8 or Fire district 1, but one of them would be there real quick, and that we know. And it works out very well. I don't think it is a case of finding a neighborhood that is not going to affect the fire district or the Ponderosa school. I am a member of the -- a board member of the Spokane Valley Business Association for the last eight years, and also on Spokane Water Quality Advisory Board, and in that capacity we have discussed the utilities, sewer, sewer plan and so forth. In my personal recollection of those '- BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 meetings, there wasn't a problem. We figured any reasonable person would, as soon that the new city council would sign an interlocatory agreement with Spokane County Utilities, and at some time working with the new sewer plan and with the utilities, we would work it out. So we don't think as far as the Water Quality Advisory Committee, we don't think there would be any problem dealing with the new city other than bookkeeping. We are pretty sure that the new city council would want to do that, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," that type of attitude. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Mr. Pete Higgins followed by Donna Blomberg. MR. HIGGINS: My name is Pete Higgins. I live at 20221 East 8th, Greenacres. I live on the exact eastern border of this proposed annexation or this city. I want to speak to the opposition. I moved there 25 years ago and we were part of the valley, we are in an area that is designated suburban. One acre or larger. Basically we are satisfied with what we have. We are somewhat out in the country, still have some area around us, quite a bit to the east [L BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 l 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of us south of Liberty Lake. It is modification area No. 8, and I have yet to speak to any neighbor in the neighborhood who is in agreement with this, and hope to have signatures to you before your next meeting to designate this. We keep hearing about the fire station. To let you know how urban we are, our fire station was closed and moved approximately two miles to the east. So everything is negotiable, like I said. We are in basically an suburban area, not in need of what would be designated urban services. In fact, urban services for our area would be a detriment, not a positive. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. Donna Blomberg? MS. BLOMBERG: My name is Donna Blomberg, and I have lived in Spokane for 51 years. My dad's home on 8015 Upriver Drive, he's lived there since the 40's, and I got a chance to move back in 1980 and I lived there until I was 20 and then moved back and I have lived there for 21 years more in the same neighborhood, and I would like to see it incorporated as part of a new city. I am sick and tired of the City of Spokane and not being represented in it, and I don't feel we m BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have been. My brother owns Gober's on Trent, that was my dad's business, and I have land there also. I work on North 421 Mullan, and I would like to see it all incorporated, and I just would like to get some more information on it and see that area. I know Northwood above me won't be part of the incorporation, but maybe later. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Dennis Scott, followed by Alan Carlson. MR. SCOTT: Thank you, members of the L:.. • My name is Dennis Scott. My comments are short. Actually, I wasn't going to say anything at all until later when I heard the presentation by the representative of the City related to Yardley. I certainly appreciated the comments made by Fire District No. 1 on the safety issue. But regarding Yardley, Yardley was included by the City and the County -- Excuse me, my address is 24324 East Pinehurst Lane, Liberty Lake. I am part of the Valley Chamber of Commerce and sat on the Governance committee since it was formed. MK BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 4 E 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 They did do that planning that was in conformance with the growth management plan. That planning was done because the growth management plan required it to be done. And the issue did not include what the impact might have been if there were a city out here because it was not under consideration at that time, and I believe that if it were, there would have been other issues laid on the table. It is a stretch of the imagination for the City to say that they currently provide city services when those services consist of water and sewer service. There is no library, there is no fire protection, no police protection furnished by the City. Those are huge issues to be able to say we provide City services. The last thing I would like to add is that although any issue, including the fire district issue, can be mitigated, the mitigation comes at a cost where right now there is no cost for mitigation. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Carlson. MR. CARLSON: Thank you, I will make it brief. Alan Carlson, I live in the north, extreme northwest area that is designated for the new city's boundaries. It.is in a subdivision called Pasadena m BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Park Terrace, and as you can quickly recognize, it is just to the north of Pasadena Park itself. I was interested in what the residents that spoke about Pasadena Park and the activity that we had with the County for some two and a half years was a pleasurable and difficult, thoughtful experience that I too, joined in on, and was very pleased with the leadership of the County. You won't be surprised, then, that I, too, don't need a new city here in the Spokane Valley. And I have had some experience in my some 40 -odd years living here, me and my family. I have participated in the community, past president of the Spokane Valley Chamber of Commerce, a past member and chairman of the Spokane County Library system, and not to mention some of the activities with the school system. I have one thought, I don't want to pay higher taxes. And I know that there used to be a law, I haven't looked it up recently and it may have gotten changed, but I think this ought to be followed up if it has not been, investor owned utilities pay a tax to the county or city -- or generally the city not the county, the county does not have the right to collect the tax and the cities do have the right to collect the tax on electricity, natural gas, I think water if they are M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 L 7 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 investor owned, and the amounts can be as high as 6 percent of the bills. I doubt that much of the public understands that, but it can amount to a lot of money. With the rising cost in energy, it can become even higher. So I hope that you follow up on that and see that that will be an increase in taxes, too, if the city is approved. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, and I appreciate the comments of all of you. This concludes all of the testimony of this evening's hearing. Do Board members have any review that they would like to have of any of the staff reports or notes or anything in regard to the testimony that we have received this evening? MR. STONE: I think based on the testimony that I've heard, I think it would be helpful for the Board to know -- to get as much information from the City of Spokane for the Alcott and Yardley areas, not only with fire protection, but also streets and roads, police protection, all those normal services that would be provided if it became part of the City of Spokane. Also, I think the last speaker, Mr. Carlson, mentioned utility tax. I think it would be valuable to get an exhibit on what Eastern ON BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Washington cities over 50,000, what taxes they have on utilities, what rates they are, that would be helpful. That is something that I would like to see on or before our next hearing. The other thing I would like to mention, while we appreciate the exhibits, it is difficult when we receive exhibits right when we start the meeting is we want to pay attention to the speakers and that doesn't permit us to read the exhibits, so I would encourage any and all entities to get the exhibits to our Board staff as early as possible. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: In the matter of Yardley, we have the assessed value of that area and Alcott. I believe it would be important for us if that area were removed, to have the sales tax figure and how that might play in regard to the overall breakdown of the economics performance. So if we could have that for the next meeting also. Anything else? MR. HAGNEY: I am assuming we are going to continue the public hearing on the 27th; is that right? It would be very helpful to hear from some of the few residents of Yardley, it would be very helpful to hear from some of the residents, more of the residents or some of the residents in the Ponderosa area living ME BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 7 4 C E i 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 north of 44th. I realize there are very few residents, I think 88 residents in the Yardley area, but I think it would be helpful to hear from that perspective', and especially asking questions about services and delivery of services, and things like that. And then again, just to be emphatic here, I definitely would like to hear from some people living north of 44th and Ponderosa. MR. STONE: There is one more speaker that has come forward that would like to speak. CHAIRMAN: Brian Sayrs. Did you raise your hand prior? MR. SAYRS: Yes, I did, sir. CHAIRMAN: Please come up. MR. SAYRS: I apologize for this. My name is Brian Sayrs. I live at 1011 North Malvern Circle Road, Liberty Lake. My prepared comment will last four minutes, but I will spare you and just hand that in. I am going to be talking about -- I am going to be expanding on Mr. Frost's comments about modification No. 8 and 9, and how exclusion of these areas help the Board pursue three objectives, mainly the preservation of the natural neighborhood and M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 community, the preservation of logical service areas, and encouragement of the incorporation of cities in excess of 10,000 in population. In about 500 hours, the City of Liberty Lake will officially incorporate, due in no small part to this Board's careful consideration of the State's mandated objective. In particular, the City of Liberty Lake exists today in order to preserve the Liberty Lake's natural community, and a recognition that any perceived deficiencies in that category would easily be corrected once incorporation occurred through the community's now famous two step process. The Liberty Lake two -step, as it came to be known, envisioned a process by which areas within the Liberty Lake community but outside the original Liberty Lake incorporation area would be permitted annexation opportunities once the incorporation process was complete. As a member of Liberty Lake 2000, the Liberty Lake Incorporation Transition Team and the Liberty Lake City Council, I have been a proponent of the Liberty Lake two -step since its conception. The inclusion of areas 8 and 9 in the proposed city of Spokane Valley would interfere with the Liberty Lake's two -step process. The Liberty Lake BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Transition Team Growth Management Committee charged with the task of developing the procedure by which the two -step plan would be implemented included part of area 8 and all of area 9 within the city's urban growth area in the recommended comprehensive plan. The proposed urban growth boundaries of the City of Liberty Lake extends one half mile from our current boundary in order to complete the inclusion of the property of a local land owner. The Inland paper company. The land owner is currently facing the prospect of building a single neighborhood in three separate jurisdictions, the City of Liberty Lake, the City of Spokane Valley, and Spokane County, frustrating the preservation of natural neighborhoods objective. once built, and with three local jurisdictions, the citizens of this development will not know from whom they receive services, reminding us of the purpose of the logical services area objective. In conclusion, I do want to mention that it appears there were some questions on this Board last year as to whether the City of Liberty Lake should have been allowed to incorporate because of concerns that our population was too small, and that integral portions of our community were not included. Exclusion of areas 8 and 9 from the current proposal will allow we BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 us to pursue our two -step process, reintegration of central areas of our community. And it will insure that our population will more easily reach the 10,000 population plateau that we promised to you last year. Thank you for your time and patience and consideration in excluding modification areas 8 and 9 of the current proposal. Thank you. Chairman: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: I will now entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to the date of August 27, 7:00 p.m., Monday, location of the 1445 North Argonne. MR. BEU: Motion so made. DR. TURBEVILLE: Seconded. CHAIRMAN: Motion entertained by Mr. Beu and seconded by Dr. Turbeville. All those in favor say aye. Aye carried. This special meeting is adjourned at 9:30. Thank you all for your cooperation. Lail BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 STATE OF WASHINGTON ) ) ss: REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE COUNTY OF SPOKANE ) I, BETTY A. SITTER, Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Washington; DO HEREBY CERTIFY: That the foregoing is a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes as taken upon the public hearing on the date and at the time and place as shown on page one hereto; That the witness was sworn upon his oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and did thereafter make answers as appear herein; That I am not related to any of the parties to this litigation and have no interest in the outcome of said litigation; WITNESS my hand and seal this February 14, 2002. Notary Public in and for the State of Washington, residing in Spokane. 05 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670