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Pre-Incorportion Public Hearing Transcripts BRB 555-01 08/27/20011 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BEFORE THE BOUNDARY REVIEW BOARD August 27, 2001 7:00 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING BRB 555 -01 Being held at 1445 North Argonne Spokane, Washington PRESENT: Robert E. Nebergall, Board chairman Douglas Beu, Board member John B. Hagney, Board member Lawrence B. Stone, Board member Daniel E. Turbeville, III, Board member Robert Kaufman, Special Assistant Attorney General Peter Fortin, Consultant Susan Winchell, Director Michael Basinger, Planner Danette Dobbins, Staff Assistant 1 \ BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PROCEEDINGS CHAIRMAN: Good evening. Welcome to tonight's public hearing. The purpose of today's meeting is to give you information and give testimony, on August 27, 2001, on BRB 555 -01, Proposed Incorporation of the City of Spokane Valley. I would like to have the Board members introduce themselves, please, and their appointing agency. MR. BEU: I am Doug Beu, and I was appointed by the County Commissioners in 1998. MR. STONE: I am Lawrence Stone, I was appointed by the Governor. MR. HAGNEY: I am John Hagney, appointed by Governor Locke. MR. TURBEVILLE: Dan Turbeville, by the Special Purpose District. MR. NEBERGALL: Robert Nebergall, appointed by the mayor of Spokane County. And to my right is Robert Kaufman, Special Attorney General, and Mr. Peter Fortin, who is the consultant of the Spokane Valley proposal. And then we have Danette Dobbins, who is our secretary, and Susan 2 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Winchell, Director, and Michael Basinger, who has done our map work. At tonight's continued public hearing, the staff will give a brief summary on the Spokane Valley incorporation proposal and exhibits received to date. Scott Kuhta, representing the Spokane County Planning Department, will describe the status of the urban growth area. The proponents will then have the opportunity to present additional information. Representatives of the agencies affected by the proposal will then be given an opportunity to address the Board, and then those signing the roster will be called in the order of signing. Because of the formal nature of the public hearings, only the Board members can ask questions of the speakers. If you have questions, the Boundary Review Board staff will be available at the break at 8:00 and after the hearing to assist you. To be most effective in your testimony, the speakers are asked to direct their comments to the factors and objectives the Boundary Review Board is required to consider in making its decision. A list of these factors and objectives is available in the brochure at the table. The public hearing will now come to order. 3 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 it 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 This hearing is called to gather facts and hear testimony in the matter of File No. BRB 555 -01, the proposed incorporation of the City of Spokane Valley. Will all of those who plan on speaking at tonight's public hearing, please rise and raise your right hand, the Planner will now administer the oath. MS. WINCHELL: Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? SPEAKERS: Yes. MS. WINCHELL: So sworn. CHAIRMAN: We will now hear from Scott Kuhta of the Spokane County Planning Department. Excuse me, Susan is going to do something first. MS. WINCHELL: At the public hearing August 8, the Board received testimony and exhibits, which number, I think we have 45 exhibits that the Board members have, and these are available in a notebook in the back for any of you who would like to read through the exhibits or the incorporation study. Some of the testimony the Board received at the last meeting included testimony asking that the Board consider the Pasadena Park area as a separate M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 area and be excluded from the Valley Incorporation proposal. The Board asked for more information on this area and the staff put together kind of some facts on Pasadena Park area which the Board did not receive in the incorporation study. And the boundaries of Pasadena Park, the area south of Wellesley, and on this map the area north of the river and inside the red lines which are the urban growth. The area has a population of about 2038 people, 815 housing units, and it is composed of 2.5 percent of the population total of the incorporation area. It represents 4 percent of the land area. The taxable assessed value of the area is about 117 million, that is about 3 percent of the assessed value of the proposed city. That is some of the information about the Pasadena Park area. The Board also asked for some additional information on the Yardley area, and Mr. Fortin will go through the information he has about Yardley. MR. FORTIN: I know we had a question from the audience last meeting on the amount of property taxes and sales taxes within the Yardley area, and what I have done is I provided to you percentage of the Yardley area property tax and sales tax and percentage of the total City of Spokane Valley. The property tax, 3 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the assessors office gives Yardley area $209,000 property tax, that is at $1.60 a thousand, and based on the total amount collected, or would be collected within the City of Spokane Valley, 7.12 million, that is 2.9 percent of the total. On the sales tax, the Yardley area is estimated to generate 1.36 million dollars after the County gets the 15 percent. So compare the 1.36 with the 14.3 million that would be estimated to come into the City of Spokane Valley, the Yardley area generates about 9.5 percent of that total. CHAIRMAN: I think now we are ready for Scott Kuhta. MR. KUHTA: My name is Scott Kuhta, and I am with the Spokane County Division of Planning. I was asked to give an update of the County's comprehensive planning process, and I am happy to announce that as of Friday August 24, the Board of County Commissioners did orally approve the comprehensive plan, including urban growth areas of Spokane County. They did direct the planning staff to prepare a findings of fact for their decision, and we are working on preparing those findings and finalizing the urban growth area map and the land use designations and making sure that we have incorporated all the Board's minor revisions. 0 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The Board also adopted the JPA, which is a joint planning areas for Spokane County around small towns in the City of Spokane. We expect that within, I would say four to six weeks, we will have the findings before the Board of County Commissioners for their signing and adoption, and until that time the interim urban growth area is still the boundary that we use for regulations. So as of now, we have an oral adoption of the comprehensive plan for the urban growth areas, and we will be working on findings for the Board to sign hopefully in about a month. Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Thank you. We will now hear from Dr. Philip Rudy of the Spokane Valley Incorporation Committee, proponent of the incorporation. DR. RUDY: Honorable members of the Boundary Review Board, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Philip L. Rudy. I am the spokesperson for the coalition and the various groups that are proponents for the advancement of incorporation for the City of Spokane Valley. It is always been our goal to move ahead as WA BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 expeditiously as possible, and we were very pleased last Friday when the County Commissioners came up with the final urban growth area, however, we would like to make a statement to you gentlemen this evening, and that is that we prefer as proponents -- and this was unanimously voted on by our group this noon -- that we would like to have the largest area possible for the incorporation of the City of Spokane as defined by the urban growth area as limited by Fire District No. 1. Having said that, we have been notified also that it is not really official until the County Commissioners file written findings. So it is our preference that you on the Board will not make your decision until the decision is filed by the County Commissioners and it is signed, sealed, and they have filed those written findings. If that is what is necessary to make it complete so that it does not become exposed to judicial proceedings, or whatever the term may be. So while we are very anxious and have always looked forward to having this on the ballot on November 6, in light of doing things prudently and deliberately and as well thought as possible, we would not be upset if we do not have the election on November 6. We feel that it is in the best interest of the M BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 citizens of the City of Spokane Valley of the proposed City of Spokane Valley, that the largest area be incorporated within the limitations of urban growth areas as defined by the County Commissioners as limited by Fire District No.l. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Do the Board members have any questions of Dr. Rudy? (No response). CHAIRMAN: We will now hear testimony from those signing the roster. We would like to limit your comments to three minutes each in order to hear from each person on the list and we will be getting that list in just a moment. We have representatives this evening from the County Planning and from the Valley Fire Department, the City of Spokane and Spokane Fire Department, and because of the detail and the nature of this testimony, they will not be limited to a three - minute time frame. In keeping with that, we will call for Mark Grover of the Valley Fire Department. MR. GROVER: My testimony will be limited to answering questions this evening. CHAIRMAN: Any questions of Mr. Grover? 9 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (No response). CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. Mr. Mercer, City of Spokane. MR. MERCER: Thank you, sir. I have a letter from the Mayor of the City of Spokane, and following my presentation, Chief Bobbie Williams of the City's Fire Department is here, and he would also like to provide some comments. Following your hearing of August 8, 2001, on your consideration of the boundaries of proposed City of Spokane Valley and having subsequently reviewed written testimony submitted, the City of Spokane would like to provide additional clarifying information. The first and foremost issue before the Boundary Review Board is the boundary for proposed City of Spokane Valley. Assistant Chief Larry Rider of the Fire District 1 has provided the Boundary Review Board both oral and written testimony that would lead one to believe that the proposal before you is the annexation of Yardley /Alcott areas by the City of Spokane. AUDIENCE: We can't hear you. Please speak into the mike. Start again. MR. MERCER: For the record, my name is 10 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 John Mercer, Planning Director of the City of Spokane, and I have a letter to read to the Board by Mayor John Powers. "Dear Mr. Nebergall and Board members, Following the hearing August 8, 2001, on consideration of the boundaries of the proposed City of Spokane Valley, and having subsequently reviewed written testimony submitted, the City of Spokane would like to provide additional clarifying information. "First and foremost, the issue before the Boundary Review Board is the boundary for the proposed new City of Spokane Valley. The Assistant Chief Larry Rider.of Fire District 1, has provided the Boundary Review Board both oral and written testimony that would lead one to believe that the proposal before you is annexation of the Yardley /Alcott areas by the City of Spokane. Annexation of these areas by the City of Spokane has not been proposed and is not the issue before the Board. "Regardless of the decision by the Boundary Review Board on the propoed boundaries, Fire District 1 will continue to serve and collect revenue from these areas for the foreseeable future. Nothing in the proposal currently before the Boundary Review Board will change the service area or boundary of Fire 11 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 District 1 nor will it impact Fire District 1's ability to provide service to its customers. "When and if annexation were to be proposed, that issue would then legitimately before the Boundary Review Board. The cost to the City of Spokane to providing these services would be a factor considered by the City Council be before annexation procedure and would be a topic of discussion before the Boundary Review Board at that time. "Assistant Chief Rider's associations regarding the City of Spokane and Fire Departments lack of ability to provide ample fire protection are both premature and misleading at best. The City of Spokane Fire Chief Bobby Williams will address these issues separately. "The City of Spokane has requested that the Yardley and Alcott areas be excluded from the boundaries of the proposed new City of Spokane Valley. To reiterate our previous comments, the exclusion of these areas for the proposed boundaries would be consistent with the factors to be considered under RCW 36.93.170. "Both areas are adjacent to the corporate boundaries of the City of Spokane and are addressed in our newly completed comprehensive growth management 12 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 planning act. In addition, the City of Spokane provides both water and sewer service to these areas and has done so for many years. The portions of the Yardley area have been served by the City of Spokane in excess of 30 years, in fact, Yardley Water District No. 3, now owned by the City of Spokane, was granted a franchise by construction by the Board of County Commissioners in November 1945. "The Boundary Review Board approved the current water and sewer service boundaries for the Yardley area in 1990. Exclusion of these areas to achieve the preservation of a lot of the service areas that are already in place pursuant to (inaudible) found in RCW 36.93.180. "The cost of purchasing the City of Spokane water and sewer infrastructure by the new City of Spokane Valley, should also be a consideration should these areas not be excluded. Should the voters approve a new City of Spokane Valley, that municipality would be required to comply with the Growth Management Act by preparing the documents of its own comprehensive plan and proposing its own urban growth area. "Yardley and Alcott areas were designated as urban growth areas and West Plain areas by action of the Board of County Commissioners in 1997. The oral 13 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 decision of the County Commissioners on Friday, August 24, 2001, reaffirmed those designations. If the new City so chooses, it could propose these areas be part of the urban growth area. The areas would serve as a buffer between the two municipal jurisdictions, Spokane County and the new City of Spokane Valley, special purpose district regarding land use and service would be appropriate. Eventually these areas could be annexed into one or the other of these municipalities. "In closing, we again ask that you consider all the efforts involved in complying with the Growth Management Act, as well as the substantial efforts of the City of Spokane to serve these areas. Please exclude Yardley and Alcott areas from the boundaries of the proposed City of Spokane Valley. Respectfully, Mayor John T. Powers, Jr., City of Spokane." CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Next we will hear from Bob Williams, Chief of the Spokane City Fire Department. MR. WILLIAMS: Thank you_ Good evening. Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, I would like to read this document into the record and I believe you have been provided copies of the document. "Dear Board members, this information is BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 provided for your consideration in determining if the Yardley and Alcott areas should be included in the proposed City of Spokane Valley. The City of Spokane has requested that the boundaries for the proposed city of Spokane Valley be modified to exclude both the Yardley and Alcott areas. "As I understand the process, your evaluation is to make a determination if that request will be approved or denied. Based on testimony that I have reviewed regarding this matter, there appears to be an innuendo that your decision will result in automatic annexation of the Yardley and Alcott areas into the City of Spokane. Procedurally, all parties know that this is not the case. "Fire District 1 has provided emergency response to Yardley and Alcott, areas for a number of years. Whether you approve or deny the requests made by the City, Fire District 1 will continue to provide services to these areas. If the City of Spokane at some future date proposes annexation, there will be a separate evaluation regarding the feasibility of that annexation, deliberations of the Boundary Review Board at that time should consider the changes that would result in service delivery to the area proposed for annexation. Evaluating what the changes in service 15 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 delivery might be before such a proposed annexation occurs, is not prudent. There are just too many variables that would have to be addressed. "As has been stated by Mr. Mercer and Fire District 1, there is an agreement between the City and the Fire District that addresses the principle components regarding possible annexation of this area by the City. "If and when the City proposes to annex these areas, the provisions of that agreement would have to be met I would suspect, and expect nothing less from Fire District 1, that the provisions regarding the negotiating the "adverse impact on the District" would include the issue of response time and distances to the area of any proposed annexation. "At that point in time, the City would have to identify how it would deal with providing the services, the fire department, delivery. There could be several options, and I will list those: Contract with Fire District 1 for services to that area, for a short term or long term; provide services from current City facilities; provide new City facilities; provide services from a City /District facility in agreements with each other by servicing areas that are difficult to access. 16 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 "It is not known which of these options or others might become a reality, because at this point it is pure speculation. Just like Fire District 1, the City of Spokane Fire Department would evaluate the conditions of the area to which service has to be provided, and would make a recommendation on providing the best service possible based on those conditions. "Knowing the professional personnel involved with making those service delivery recommendations, all available information would be taken into consideration, not just population. Alternatives would be evaluated that could allow both jurisdictions the ability and flexibility to approve service delivery in their own areas. There would not be a disruption of emergency service response during that discussion or deliberation. "In closing, it is requested that the Board address the issue of the Yardley and Alcott areas remain in the boundaries of the proposed City of Spokane Valley based on the merits of existing law and regulations, not upon speculation of what a future annexation might bring." Any questions? CHAIRMAN: Do the Board members have any question? 17 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. STONE: Are you familiar with the testimony in our last public hearing? MR. WILLIAMS: Somewhat, yes,sir. MR. STONE: On the map 1 stations that covers a great deal of the Yardley area for Fire District 1 is No. 6, are you familiar with that one? MR. WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. MR. STONE: That is outside the area that the City of Spokane has asked to be excluded; right? MR. WILLIAMS: As I understand it, yes, sir. MR. STONE: And I know that you said several times in your letter that speculation is just that, and recognized that we have to look at the possibilities for the future. And I am interested, when you were listing several options there provided services from current City facilities, I would like your comment on Fire District 1 gave us their comment that existing City facilities could not serve within the very rapid response time. So a comment on that would be appreciated. MR. WILLIAMS: Obviously there are a number of alternatives there. That is one alternative. Whether that is a selected alternative would have to be evaluated when they get to that point in time. I think BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 District 1 is correct when they say response from your current facility would be quicker than the response from our current facility. But you have to believe that we are not going to focus in on just alternatives, that is shortsighted on anybody's behalf. We have to look at all the opportunities and alternatives available to us. So if, in fact, that was the only alternative looked at and alternative chosen, I would agree with the Fire District 1's analysis, that their current facilities would be closer. I also believe that there are opportunities for discussion between the City Fire Department and Spokane Valley Fire Department as it relates to the alternatives to service this and other areas that have not been discussed but can certainly avail themselves to discussion. CHAIRMAN: Any other questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: We will now take public testimony from the audience at large, and as I call your name, I would like you to keep in mind we have three minutes and then we will have the person who is speaking follow right behind, if you would. We are going to start today with Mr. Loyd 19 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Peterson, if you please. MR. PETERSON: Thank you. That's what a person gets for coming early. You have to be number one. I'd like everyone here, including the Board members to know, that I am probably the only person in this audience who has gone through this process once before. My wife and I lived in the City of Lacy before it was the City of Lacy. We had a South Sound Shopping center that was built in the City of Lacy and the City of Olympia wanted the tax revenue from that shopping center and they started an annexation process to annex that area. We said no, we don't want that, we would rather have our own city. We formed our own city. People said taxes will go up if you form your own city, they didn't they went down. By law, they have to go down, because the City cannot charge the road tax that the County has the ability to assess. So that argument was shot down. Now, as to the Yardley area, there is only one reason why the City of Spokane wants that left out, and that is so they can annex it. Why? Most probably the main reason is because of Costco moving out to the valley. They lost all that sales tax revenue that they were collecting from Costco. Costco was not the maker of the problem with the River Park Square Parking 20 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Garage, neither were we people that live out here in the Valley. I see no reason why we out here in the Valley should suffer because of the fiasco they have in the City of Spokane and the lack of revenue in the City of Spokane now produces. So, please, leave our Valley intact and leave the Yardley area in, let us govern ourselves. I've been working on this trying to get us incorporated for 20 years, that is how long I've lived in the Valley and how long I've worked trying to get us incorporated out here. So, please, let us have our City, total City, thank you. CHAIRMAN: I failed to mention that I think in fairness to everybody concerned, we would not have any booing, hissing, or clapping as we have speakers, and I think that would be appropriate. Mrs. Annette Remshard, please. MS. REMSHARD: This evening I would like to present a poll that we did after the last meeting. We polled the people of Yardley and Alcott. This is a mail -in poll. It was received by 230 registered voters in the Yardley and Alcott areas. We received a return of 53 polls. Out of the 53 return, 42 indicated that they would like to be a part of the new City of Spokane Valley, while 11 indicated that they wanted to remain 21 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 part of the unincorporated County while six of that 11 stated if they had to choose, they would choose to be a part of the new City of Spokane Valley. No poll returned indicated a preference to be a part of the City of Spokane. The average poll return is 5 percent, this poll return was 20 percent. Those returns showed in favor of the new City of Spokane Valley by 85 percent. Zero said, yes, they wanted to be a part of the City of Spokane, 42 said yes they wanted to be included with the new City of Spokane Valley, 11 said they wanted to stay a part of the unincorporated county. And then we also asked two other questions, if you feel the City of Spokane Valley will enhance services to the area, 23 of the 42 indicated they thought that was correct, and yes, I feel my safety and life are important factors in this decision, 25 of the 42 indicated that as well. And I gave Susan copies of this poll so you can each have a copy of it to study it for yourselves. Dear members of the Boundary Review Board, I ask that when you vote, that the vote of the members of the Board, that the boundaries of the proposed City of Spokane Valley will remain consistent with the borders of Fire District No. 1 as proponents have 22 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 lE 1s 2( 2] 2� 2_ 24 2c advocated for these reasons. That if any of the fire district borders are encroached, they will take away a portion of the operating budget. We are concerned with citizen safety in and out of the Valley borders. If a fire district budget gets short changed, it damages their proven ability to provide services and safety, which is our primary concern. If an area wants to be annexed after the incorporation vote, then the budget of the fire district will not be affected as we have been told. The area could then be annexed without compromising the safety of the citizens because of monetary restraints. Please consider the safety of the citizens above all else. The fire districts were set up logistically with careful consideration. The proponents have studied this for months, and with your vote you could enhance services or endanger the safety of the citizens. We ask that you follow the boundaries of Fire District No. 1 along with the UGA boundaries approved by the Spokane County Commissioners on Friday, August 24th, 2001, for the borders of the incorporation of the Spokane Valley. Thank you. 23 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Ray Hansen, please. MR. HANSEN: I am Raymond Hansen, president of Hansen Industries, developor of property around Spokane Valley Mall. I am a proponent of the Valley becoming a city. I studied this in considerable depth. I believe a new city will be able to lower taxes and provide better services as a government entity than exists in the County. I am a substantial tax payer, and I do believe that becoming a city, controlling our own destiny, lowering taxes for all citizens, negotiating for better services, developing a smaller, more responsive government that is answerable to the local citizens will create efficiencies that a larger government entity cannot do. I would like to further comment that Kootenai County recently lowered taxes, considerable, and the reason they gave, and this was on the real estate portion, of course we all know half our taxes go to the schools, and a lot of it it goes here and there that you can't change, but they actually lowered by about 20 percent a portion of the real estate tax that they collected. The reason they did that was because BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 ' 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 .15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of substantial development. Now, there is a misbelief out there that if you have development, taxes goes up. well, the reverse is true. It went down in Kootenai County. There is substantial development out here. We just heard that the tax collected in this area that the City would like to have was about 1.3 that is the .85 of the sales tax, the .1 comes back to the city and 15 of that stays in the County and the bulk of it goes to the State. I calculated Costco alone will have that much tax. So there is a big tax base there, that is what it is all about. The total affect of the shopping center when you put in the multiplier affect of the jobs created and all that, is close to a billion dollars when it's fully developed. It may take another five years, it is about half developed now. The shopping center itself is about 90 percent and the rest of it is barely started. So there is going to be a tremendous tax base and commercial development does not demand much in the way of services. So we've got a lot to do out here, and if I didn't believe this, I wouldn't be for it, because I am a substantial tax payer. Thank you, very much. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? 25 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (No response). CHAIRMAN: Iris Kiger. MS. KIGER: I am from Pasadena Park, and it's one of the issues that has been on our heart for quite awhile. Through public hearings, the Pasadena Park property owners, tax payers, residents, and other members of interest, were advised that the Pasadena Park neighborhood community plan would be implemented with official controls by order of the Board of Commissioners on May 10, 1994. Pasadena Park is a unique area with two significant south boundaries; the natural Spokane River and the established north boundary of the City of Millwood, separating it from the rest of the Spokane Valley. In light of this geographical location and it's prior recognition by order of the Board in 1994, it is therefore expedient that Pasadena Park be excluded from the boundaries of the proposed city. Respectfully submitted, Iris Kiger. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Mike Conner. UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Donahue? 26 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIRMAN: No, we have a Mike Conner living at 18809 Fairview Court. MR. DONAHUE: I don't know how that word Connor got in there. CHAIRMAN: Pardon me, it is Donahue. MR. DONAHUE: Everything that I have said has probably been said better than I can say it, so I would like to pass my time on to someone else. CHAIRMAN: Mr. John Gray. MR. GRAY: Mr. Chairman and members of the Board, my name is John Gray, and I live on East Second Avenue; about a block and a half east of Havana Street, between Deerborn and Custer. I've lived there my whole life, 76 years, and we've enjoyed living in the Valley for that length of time. My wife and I have been living there for 50 years now. I hope that we become a city in the Valley, Spokane Valley City. I would hate to see us annexed by the City of Spokane. I did not receive this letter, this mailing that that lady talked about where we voted, or somebody voted on it, anyway. I don't know how they missed us, because our address has been the same for 50 years. But anyway, I hope you people on the Board will consider that myself anyway, would sure love to be incorporated in the Valley. And ever since this first 27 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 took place many years ago, I voted for the Valley incorporation every time, but unfortunately it has not passed yet. I don't know where, of course, we are pretty close to where the old Alcott schools used to be, in fact, I went to Alcott school when I was a kid. It's always been known as the Carnhope District as I remember. We lived in the Carnhope Irrigation District, our voting precinct is the Carnhope Precinct, so anyway, somebody has been calling it the Alcott District. But whatever it is called, I hope that we will be a part of the Spokane Valley City. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mertens, please. MR. MERTENS: Good evening, Chairman and the Board. I certainly appreciate all the efforts you've done and have been doing. I stated back in my testimony on the 8th that I was simply astounded that we had to go through all this to say that we wanted to get a city. It's been a real education, but there has been something that has come up and it has been brought to our attention and will read the letter that you will be NM BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 getting a copy of there from Susan. It says: "Gentlemen, It has come to our attention at the last public hearing, August 8th, 2001, at the Nevell Auditorium, that Mr. Lawrence Stone had mentioned that he was a land and business owner in the Yardley area, which has been included in the proposed City of the Spokane Valley. We have been advised that we should have registered a concern as to Mr. Stone being able to make an unbiased vote on the final decision by the Board when a decision is made. "We are hereby registering this concern and want it placed in the record. However, we remember that Mr. Stone did state that this would not prevent him from making a proper and unbiased vote. We trust that this will be the case. "Respectfully submitted, Edward J. Mertens, Chairman of Community Action." CHAIRMAN: If I might comment, Mr. Stone has previously stated for the record his conviction to remain impartial in his decision. I have served on this Board with Mr. Stone for five years, and in every situation he has been totally fair and impartial, and I am sure he will be in this. MR. MERTENS: Thank you. MR. STONE: I just want to say that as I 29 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 mentioned in the last meeting, actually I own property in Airway Heights and the City of Spokane and Spokane Valley and unincorporated Spokane, so if I was to exclude myself anytime property ownership came up, I wouldn't be able to serve. But my family and myself have operated a business in Spokane Valley since 1956, and I have been working in the Spokane Valley since I was about six years old, working out in the shop -- at least I thought I was working when I was about six years old. But I have been involved with the Spokane Valley for a long time. And I have been a resident of Spokane County for 46 years, and I would disassociate myself if I had any question about it. But I am very content that I can be fair and impartial on these proceedings. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Pete Higgins, please. MR. HIGGINS: Good evening, and thank you. I am a resident of Greenacres, mitigating area No. 8 on the map. I went around in the neighborhood -- you do have a copy of the signatures of neighbors. Most of them aren't, or a good share of them aren't home. In fact a little more than 50 percent of the streets that I walked down. I did cover much of the area. CHAIRMAN: Would you mind stating your 30 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 name. MR. HIGGINS: Pete Higgins. I had one person speak in favor. Most people didn't understand why they were being included. No one had ever been counseled one way or the other that this area would be included, with all large lots, and I explained to them just because we are Fire District No. 1 -- but more than 50, probably approaching 75 percent of the people don't want any part of it, 10 to 15 percent will say that they haven't made up their minds yet. I talked to four people that hadn't made up their minds, two people whose spouses were gone and said they didn't want to make the decision, and one that said they were in favor. The other part of this that I would like to address is in the forming of the city. I've heard an awful lot of comments that we would be able to control our own destiny. I was a citizen member of the subcommittee on concurrency for transportation issues as they affect the regional transportation district under the auspices of GMA. I learned one thing on that subcommittee, and that was that all the districts have to work together to reach a conclusion on the problems in the area, outside the Valley and inside the Valley. One 31 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would be light rail, the County has the right -of -way for light rail, but the city would, I'm sure, be required to step up to the plate on certain issues. Probably more important than light rail, particularly in the short term, is the bridging of the Valley project. That would affect air quality for the city. It would affect transportation, it would affect local movement of people in all directions, and it would close 52 railroad crossings in Spokane County and grade separate all railroad crossings from the Valley to Athol, Idaho; that means Havana, Park, Barker, Harvard, there is a handful more. You would not be waiting for any trains. And the UP Line would be located within the boundaries of the BN right -of -way, so we would not be spending "any time. It would be a much more efficient system but it is going to be very expensive, most of it coming from the Federal government, but the city would then control most of the major crossings in the Valley and this expense would be immediate and large. And I wondered how, since it's no longer part of the County, I wondered how the citizens in this Valley and this city could move forward to complete this project in the time frame that it looks like it is moving towards. 32 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bill Crawford. MR. CRAWFORD: My name is Bill Crawford and I live in Veradale We heard some, what appeared to me to be conflicting testimony tonight from the Spokane Fire Chief, that seemed to contradict what Assistant Chief Rider testified to at the last hearing, and I'm not sure which one is correct, but I guess the question that I would have is if it's not broken, why try to mess with it. Why would we go to the trouble of changing the district and having to go back and come to some sort of an agreement between the two fire districts to serve an area that is already being well served right now. The only reason that I see is the City of Spokane wants this area for the money, plain and simple. There have been two straw polls taken, one by KXLY a little over a month ago, and one by the proponents a little over a week ago, and both come out roughly 80 percent of the people in the Yardley area want to be included in the new city. Also the study done by Mr. Fortin included 33 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that area in the revenues. So to disrupt that, disrupt the results of the study, possibly disrupts the fire service and goes against the will_of the people in that area, I don't see any reason to exclude that area from the new city. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Gayle Puu Carroll, please. I'll call for John Wittenberg while you're taking care of those things, please. John Wittenberg. MR. WITTENBERG: Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, my name is John Wittenberg. I reside at 2109 North Bessie, which is between Park Road and Argonne area. I think the only thing us people want is the freedom of choice to adjust our own destiny in the future. Right now we have one and a half County Commissioners representing depending on what figure you use, 80 to 90,000 people. At the present, these people, by and large, you can't please everyone, but they are doing a good job. People say, well, let things stay the same. Things don't stay the same. Very likely, you people could be sitting in someone's living room when this area would be cleared out. Mr. Hansen can attest to 34 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that by his huge development. The only thing that is constant in life is change. And I remember when I was stationed here back in 1943, I was just a kid then. I am an octogenarian now, but they were talking about a north -south freeway then. It would be great, Mr. Higgins, if we could put an underpass or overpass over every railroad in the Valley, but I don't think it will come to pass with the history of the north -south freeway. People say that what part of no don't you people understand who want a new city. You know, when you climb a mountain -- when I was 50 years old I joined the Spokane Mountaineers and started mountain climbing, and you only accomplish anything one step at a time. So what is this, how many steps is this that we are involved in now. By God we'll keep at it until we have our city out here and with your help, we thank you very much. CHAIRMAN: Questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Gayle Puu Carroll. MS. CARROLL: I'm sorry, I was expecting to have an overhead tonight, and I had only overheads prepared, so we are going to try to make due with what 916 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we have available. If I could ask you to move the map just a little bit so I can pick up Dishman Mica Road on the west side. My name is Gayle Puu Carroll, and I live at East 11823 - 38th Avenue. What I have to ask of you tonight is a little bit different than what you've heard from other speakers. I am concerned about where you are drawing the city line in the south part of the Valley here, right -- I guess what you are proposing for the incorporation is the Fire District 1 line that is just at 44th Avenue and the interim urban growth line presently is at 44th Avenue. I don't have a way to point that out to you, but you can see 40th, 40th Avenue right here runs right into Dishman Mica Road. I want you to just kind of visually follow this here, and come back up Bowdish Road right here, 32nd Avenue, and come across 32nd Avenue here is Pines Road, here is State Route 27. The road right here, 40th Avenue, if you look at the handout I gave you, I believe you have a copy of the arterial road plan that Spokane County adopted in 1986, and in 1986 40th Avenue was to connect from Dishman Mica Road to Highway 27 and beyond, so there is east -west access through this area 36 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the Valley. And as you can see, it has not happened. There are a number of reasons why it hasn't happened, and it is detailed for you in some written testimony that I have previously submitted. But I'd like for you to look at the problem we have. You have a huge area here that is destined to be urban development, and I don't believe these statistics that I saw handed out today, which is 600 acres here, approximately 100 units, and that means 1 unit per six acres, and that is not urban density. If you have urban density here, you do not have proper infrastruture in the way of urban arterials to move traffic effectively up this arterial up this arterial out this arterial, which is a direct route to the city, without putting a substantial impact on existing neighborhoods. So I am asking that you keep the line at a minimum at the urban growth line and not at any different line, be it this line here at 44th or some other line established by Spokane County in their urban growth adoption. It simply can't handle it. And if it is not taken care of in terms of being responsive to planning growth, then you get reactive kinds of road plans, and that is not what is intended by GMA and not 37 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 intended by SEPA. It is pretty straight forward issue, it's not there. And why it's not there, it's up to you to read and figure it out, but it was always supposed to be there, and if you look at the subdivision plan originally in 1977, this road was supposed to be here and the County took it away. It's not there. So if it can't be built, don't make this part of the city, and the County shouldn't be including it in the urban growth area. Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: We'll take a five minute recess. (Recess taken.) CHAIRMAN: Dorothy Carter please speak next. (No response). CHAIRMAN: We'll move on to a Don Kachinsky. MR. KACHINSKY: I am Don Kachinsky, and I live at 716 South Koren Road, that is two blocks east of 8th and Carnahan, in the area right between the Alcott and the Yardley area. We've been very concerned in the past about RE BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the annexation by the City of Spokane and their attempts to come out to the Valley. We've supported having a city out here for the last 25 years, and one of the things we would like to look at is in the area between Yardley and Alcott there is a space of eight blocks, two and a half blocks from Sprague to the freeway and another four and a half blocks that goes between the freeway and 8th Avenue, which is the north boundary of the Alcott area. We are concerned particular, because if this area is left out and the Yardley and Alcott area are taken in by the City of Spokane or left for them to take over, it leaves us in an area without much chance of having good service. We are close to Fire District station No. 6, which is on Sprague Avenue just north of me. One of the other things we are concerned about is the fact that if the City of Spokane should annex that area, the taxes that they collect on their services there, which are water, sewer, and garbage, amounts to 17 percent that is added to those services for those people in those areas. If the Alcott area or the Yardley area were taken over by the City, they automatically get a 17 percent increase in taxes by those services supplied by the City of Spokane. In addition to that, they collect 39 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6 percent on telephones, 6.38 percent on the electricity, and 4.17 percent on the natural gas bills. And the City of Spokane has a peculiar way of looking at their taxes, and they do not exempt any government entity, including the Federal government or the State government or the County government or the City itself, so that means the fairgrounds, which occupies a good part of the Yardley area, is going to be subjected to all these City taxes. So this area should be left out. one of the other things we would like you to look at is Fire District 1 and the area that they encompass in the Valley, has always been considered a good part of the Valley itself and should be held intact so that this area will be cohesive in its entirety. Eventually the City would be looking at other areas east of the current proposition for the Valley to annex into the areas as they develop east. I'm just asking that in order to protect those areas in the western part of the proposition for the new city in the Valley, that Yardley area and the Alcott area be left within the boundaries of the new city. we very much need to have the protection of those things included for us. till BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you. CHAIRMAN: Any questions? (No response). CHAIRMAN: Tony Lazanis. MR. LAZANIS: Honorable Chairman, Honorable members of the Board. My name is Tony Lazanis. I live at 10625 East Trent Avenue in Spokane Valley. I am here tonight again to urge you folks to keep the boundary. You have the authority to take 10 percent or add 10 percent, and I am here to ask you to leave the boundaries as they are and add another 10 percent. A smaller government, closer to the people and the Valley provide that, and it provides good services and good government and I hope you folks leave the boundaries where they are. Another thing I mentioned that you, Mr. Higgins had brought up the bridging to the Valley. I've been involved for 20 years on that, and I have raised money for the study and the safety issues, noise, and safety issues and I think if the 90 percent I think is federal -state funded and maybe 5 or 10 percent local money, and if the County can, you know, they have the money right now to utilize, if the County can do -- can help pay the 5 or 10 percent, I'm sure 41 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 lE 1s 2( 21 2, 2; 25 2`. the City can do the same, because all of us cares about the safety and about the noise that occurs out here. So please, leave the boundaries as they are and add another 10 percent to it. Thank you, very much. And I know why really to be honest with you, I know why I'm nervous, I don't know why, but I always get nervous before I get up in front. You know, if you take Yardley out, I think the people in Yardley will suffer because they will directly affects their dollars and they take dollars and use it elsewhere. So please leave the Yardley in the boundaries and add 10 percent. Thank you, very much, and I know you are going to do the right thing. Thank you, sirs. CHAIRMAN: This concludes the testimony of this evenings hearing. Are there any specific points of information that the Board members require or are there any further questions that we might have? UNITENTIFIED MAN: Mr. Nebergall, when do you think you will have your decision? CHAIRMAN: Our decision will have to wait until such time as the County has arrived at the adoption of the growth management act. And the public hearings will be continued to a date and place to be determined at our regular September 10 meeting, 42 BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 lE li lE 1� 2C 21 2, 2: 2e 21 and at that time the Board will receive additional information or testimony as is deemed to be given. I would now entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. MR. BEU: Motion to adjourn. MR. TURBEVILLE: Seconded. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. We are not going to adjourn, we are going to continue to our next meeting which will be the 10th of September. Motion made by Mr. Doug Beu and seconded by Dr. Turbeville. (Meeting adjourned.) 5W BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 lE li lE l� 2( 2: 2. 2: 2 2! STATE OF WASHINGTON ) ) ss COUNTY OF SPOKANE ) REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE I, BETTY A. SITTER, Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Washington; DO HEREBY CERTIFY: That the foregoing is a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes as taken upon the public hearing on the date and at the time and place as shown on page one hereto; That the witness was sworn upon his oath to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and did thereafter make answers as appear herein; That I am not related to any of the parties to this litigation and have no interest in the outcome of said litigation; WITNESS my hand and seal this February 12, 2002. Notary Public in and for the State of Washington, residing in Spokane. BETTY SITTER, C.S.R. Spokane, WA (509)926 -2670